U.S. wildlife officials are embracing a contentious plan to deploy trained shooters into dense West Coast forests to kill almost a half-million barred owls in coming decades
I suppose if you magnify it so far, but that’s seems semantic ultimately.
Certainly a great deal of damage is the excess and inefficiency of global capitalism. With the tenants of central planning we wouldn’t need to exploit nearly as much land and resources if we consumed only as much as necessary. But if growth is an endless goal even under communism, why worry about conserving anything now? At some point growth has to be checked, or nature has to be sacrificed.
There’s also an argument to be made of over correcting or too much deliberation. If we’re always focused on conserving an ecosystem at a chosen level, won’t it ultimately stagnate? At what point does the Earth just become a global zoo? When do we pull back and allow systems to change like they always have?
Hm what do you mean? I think I missed something, I read it as a general expression (the universal as marx & aristotle puts it) rather than the specific…
Was there another comment or thread I missed? I’m confused bcuz I’m not sure which part is ‘stupid’
As well humans aren’t special in the fact that there are apparent macro-changes to our environment. I heard a notable marxist biologist, Richard C. Lewton state that beavers have made more of am impact on the geography and environmental conditions of north america than humans. It was a bit shocking to hear that, but it made sense to me after I thought about it.
I think partially the difference in my understanding and the other commentator’s is I don’t place the effect of humans to be meaningful in any special way as compared to other mechanisms of changing the environment and climate.
That is, besides our relation to climate change as being a consequence of human activity at a certain stage of development (I mean the base and superstructure here) it need not and indeed is less effective to add qualitative distinctions like “humans are worse” and “we have a responsibility”.
Responsibility, yes, and humans are adapting to climate change. Instead of direct-human activity there could have hypothetically been a solar flare from our sun of a particular kind, or gamma ray burst from a nearby dying star which causes a large volcanic erruption such as the kind during the precambian extinction (wiki link) and wiped out human technological development in say the 1800s before major global industrialization began…
We’d still have to deal with it, the why matters insofar as it relates to addressing the problem.
I suppose if you magnify it so far, but that’s seems semantic ultimately.
Certainly a great deal of damage is the excess and inefficiency of global capitalism. With the tenants of central planning we wouldn’t need to exploit nearly as much land and resources if we consumed only as much as necessary. But if growth is an endless goal even under communism, why worry about conserving anything now? At some point growth has to be checked, or nature has to be sacrificed.
There’s also an argument to be made of over correcting or too much deliberation. If we’re always focused on conserving an ecosystem at a chosen level, won’t it ultimately stagnate? At what point does the Earth just become a global zoo? When do we pull back and allow systems to change like they always have?
yeah i dont really know… was thinking outlou. appreciate your comments cde!
don’t appreciate her comments, they’re stupid as fuck
Hm what do you mean? I think I missed something, I read it as a general expression (the universal as marx & aristotle puts it) rather than the specific…
Was there another comment or thread I missed? I’m confused bcuz I’m not sure which part is ‘stupid’
girl what in gods fucking name are you talking about we’ve been cultivating the land around us since we were fucking nomads
As well humans aren’t special in the fact that there are apparent macro-changes to our environment. I heard a notable marxist biologist, Richard C. Lewton state that beavers have made more of am impact on the geography and environmental conditions of north america than humans. It was a bit shocking to hear that, but it made sense to me after I thought about it.
I think partially the difference in my understanding and the other commentator’s is I don’t place the effect of humans to be meaningful in any special way as compared to other mechanisms of changing the environment and climate.
That is, besides our relation to climate change as being a consequence of human activity at a certain stage of development (I mean the base and superstructure here) it need not and indeed is less effective to add qualitative distinctions like “humans are worse” and “we have a responsibility”.
Responsibility, yes, and humans are adapting to climate change. Instead of direct-human activity there could have hypothetically been a solar flare from our sun of a particular kind, or gamma ray burst from a nearby dying star which causes a large volcanic erruption such as the kind during the precambian extinction (wiki link) and wiped out human technological development in say the 1800s before major global industrialization began…
We’d still have to deal with it, the why matters insofar as it relates to addressing the problem.