Let’s be honest here… they don’t have a problem with no fault divorce in principal… they have a problem with women being able to file for divorce on their own.
Let’s dig a little deeper.
The only reason to make divorce harder is if they also take away a woman’s rights to be independent from her husband, otherwise she could just leave without getting a divorce.
Do you realise women are even allowed to have a bank account nowadays? Madness!
Principle*
No man is a principality
I think this needs further clarification
They have a problem with their wives being able to divorce them on their own.
Divorce is a decision that should be left up to the man. /s
“You can’t get divorced until I say so!” Yeesh.
My dishwasher can’t decide to just leave my property on its own, why should my other dishwasher?
If you force the peasants to stayed paired off and breed, especially in desperate, abusive conditions, they will produce the best kind of exploitation livestock for our glorious capitalist owners: the desperate kind that tolerates any abuse.
Human stock. That’s what we are.
That’s why they find our empathy for livestock to be a joke not worth enforcing.
We have all just accepted the term “Human Resources” as something that I guess we aren’t going to revolt against
Honestly, prices go up any higher and its revolt and lose my house or dont revolt and lose my house.
Actually, slaves. We are held back by those in power, ignored, taught to hate those different than ourselves, paid just enough to survive and abused. We know this and we’re too scared to do anything about it because any fight we give needs us all, or we risk those in power taking away those few things or placing us in prison.
Sounds like we have nothing to lose anyway, then.
Sounds like good way to end marriage. The only benefit is tax related.
So marriage is ultimately more capitalist tax break bullshit?
My ex-wife and I filed the requisite paperwork and a month or so later met downtown at the courthouse to finalize our petition for a no-fault divorce. We had filled out some of the paperwork incorrectly, scooted over to the law library around the corner and returned less than an hour later to wrap things up, paying a fee so incidental I couldn’t be bothered to remember the amount.
No-fault is a near necessity for folks that want to take the high road out of a shitty situation. Going on to think of the massive cost savings, we’re left not only with religion to blame for the curtailing of our rights under law, but also perhaps the legal profession that spawned many of these legislators. Fuck them all.
They don’t give a crap about religion. That’s always been just something to motivate gullible idiots. Look at the stupidest and cringiest billionaire constantly whining about racial superiority and needing to breed people etc. they want you to work and they want 60% of whatever you create or labor for and they want you to have children that you pay for college for. They want you to rent your own slave quarters in buildings that they own. When I read history and compare it to ourselves, I can’t help but think we’re livestock that has been trained to be docile. At any other point in history, somebody would have murdered the worst offenders gleefully. They either managed to program us well or convince us to never do anything because we’re so comfortable at the cost of destroying the environment.
Panem et circenses, baby!
As long as people are kept fed and entertained, they will tolerate a lot of bullshit.
They’ve rigged the system, no real surprise.
somebody would have murdered the worst offenders gleefully
We have food, so much food that the majority of people are obese. We have entertainment, cheap. Bread and circuses like never before.
When I read history and compare it to ourselves, I can’t help but think we’re livestock that has been trained to be docile. At any other point in history, somebody would have murdered the worst offenders gleefully.
People in other points in history spent generation after generation living under much worse conditions without murdering their oppressors. Don’t romanticize the past.
As big fan of the original constitution, I personally don’t believe in any laws or technology from after March 4, 1789.
Let me own a tank damnit!
Found the tankie!
That’s what that means right?
Own a musket for home defense, since that’s what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. “What the devil?” As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he’s dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it’s smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, “Tally ho lads” the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle
Luhk wee doooo
Upvoted for choice comment and hysterical username.
Marriage is just made up. People can partner off with no need for state intervention.
Yes, but if the married couple across the street are getting tax and other advantages simply for being married that you and your unmarried partner are not getting, then that is an injustice. Either no one should get such advantages or any pair of people regardless of gender or race should be able to get them. Either get rid of state marriage or let anyone get married.
Easy: Just form a corporation.
“We got married” becomes “We incorporated a Delaware LLC that manages our assets through a Swiss Trust”
Capitalists when an average Joe does it: wait, not like that
They seem to have more rights than real people.
Seem?
Do.
No joke, once you start structuring your life as a business, especially as formal corporations, the amount of financial, legal, and professional advantages, opportunities, and protection that appear are incredible. For example, did you know that …
- … as an S corp, you can “pass through” the profit and loss of your business, such that your personal gross income excludes business expenses?
- … the employer match on a 401k account is considered a business expense?
- … the actual annual cap on employer contributions to various retirement vehicles are in fact much, much higher than employers are typically willing to offer you as a benefit?
- … the terms of commercial factoring, mortgages and loans are often far more agreeable than consumer equivalents?
- … many of the places where you shop offer discounts to business accounts (and not just for volume, simply because you’re a business)?
- … it’s considered normal/SOP to request edits to many types of agreements individuals are expected to simply accept without question, including leases offered by landlords?
This is just a sample. Most endeavors and many functional aspects of personal life are by design simpler, safer, more scalable, and more profitable if planned and executed as a business rather than an individual in the late great United States of America.
I hate living like that though. I just want to be a human not a corporate entity.
I agree. I don’t think people should be expected to do all this to be treated like they matter in a society. I do it because I don’t want to go back to living in my car, but the process offers me daily reminders of how our system is thoroughly rigged in favor of commercial interests and against the human who wishes to live as a human.
I think the people making the rules have other things in mind. Not fairness.
End state marriage tax breaks and please do religious exceptions next.
100%
This is a straw man.
There are a shit ton of laws built around the idea of marriage. Your spouse has rights to make medical decisions, inhabit and inherit property, share custody of children and property, sign certain documents, and stuff you probably never think about. Marriage equality is not an exercise in vanity, it really makes a difference when the government recognizes your special relationship and commitment. It also makes divorce so important, because the ability to sever that relationship is the only way to untangle all of those rights and responsibilities to each other.
It would be better to have a different concept of contractual family, one that permits for more granularity and possibilities. But that ain’t what we got. Requiring demonstrations of fault to grant a divorce is just another way for shitty people to abuse other people. Prior to no-fault divorce, it wasn’t uncommon for judges to say things like “that’s not really spousal abuse” or “that’s not really rape” and then deny the divorce.
Yup, this was one of the central debates with gay marriage vs. civil unions, so many LGBT+ couples were absolutely screwed pre-Obergefell by one of the partners getting sick or dying, and the surviving partner either having no say in medical decisions or getting screwed out of inheritance because the sick/dead partner’s family was anti-gay and froze the surviving partner out of everything.
Don’t worry, they’ll reduce women back to property, so being unmarried, unowned property will be VERY dangerous for the property.
Of course they are. They hate it when their wives realize they married a total piece of shit and ditch them.
Ah Republicans when faced with the fact that they’re shitty husbands and get divorced at higher rates than in the past, instead of looking inwards and trying to figure out why less people want to fuck and stay married to their shitty views, simply want to outlaw women and men to extricate themselves out of their shitty conservative marriage and force them to remain unhappy.
Spot on Republican family values.
funny how republican men just recently were whining that they can’t find a date because of their political beliefs.
while pushing for shit like this. and they can’t even see the dots, let alone connect them
The GOP is the party of increased infant mortality and high rates of spousal abuse, homicide, and suicide.
At least they are ideological consistent.
Beverly Willett, a writer and attorney, argues that unilateral no-fault divorce is also unconstitutional because it violates a person’s 14th amendment right to due process.
The defendant “has absolutely no recourse to say, ‘Wait a minute. I don’t want to be divorced, and I don’t think that there are grounds for divorce. I would like to be heard. I would like to call witnesses,’” said Willett, who experienced a divorce she didn’t want because she thought her marriage could be saved. “I believed in my vows” and “didn’t want to give up”.
What witnesses do you need other than the one person saying “I no longer love them and have no desire to put any more effort into making it work.”
Conservatives really have no empathy don’t they? “This is what I want so it doesn’t matter what you want.”
I think I know why they divorced you…Are they going to start demanding witnesses before you can break up with someone you’re dating too?
DATING??? You filthy hoarslaut, you should be burned at the stake. The females are to go straight from the ownership of their parents to their husband’s bed at age 14, lest they become ugly 18 year old spinsters no honest Trump fearing man would want. The males are to work in the mines 20 hours a day and learn to hate women so they’ll prefer to marry a little girl at age 40.
If they succeed with this, it will still fail.
Fewer people will get married. Domestic violence will rise. “Till death do you part” gets a much more malicious meaning.
If domestic violence rises, how is still “failing”? It’s the kind of success those fuckers want.
They don’t give a s*** about promoting domestic violence. What they want to do is create a situation where people are cowed and do nothing but labor and produce the future labor like we’ve done to women for most of history. Whether the women get beat or not doesn’t mean anything to them as long as the outcome is the same.
All good points
It’s all about control.
Fuckers.
But it will not be the kind of violence they want tho a lot more of broken glass in the husband meal than man beating their wife
Please use punctuation.
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I for one hope this simply leads to the end of marriage. That whole concept is built rather one sided. Time for relationship contracts… renewable, but always finite. With separation details worked out in advance. Let’s get religion out of it entirely.
Some Republicans have said that they want to make it illegal to cohabitate without being married.
These shit birds are not going to rest until women have no autonomy.
Good luck to them on that… cause that is how you get a revolution. Lol
They are chipping away with our any revolts so you know I doubt they think we will do anything .
https://www.vox.com/2014/4/18/5624310/martin-gilens-testing-theories-of-american-politics-explained
They literally don’t give a shit what we think unless we are donating massive amounts of money. We don’t live in a democracy anymore
If ignoring election results isn’t going to do it then this definitely won’t.
Why does it need to be a formal contract? People can engage in relationships without the law being involved. I tend to think we should disentangle marriage and law, have some paperwork one can fill out for the legal affairs like hospital visitation and such that can be changed without the same degree of court proceeding, and have the religious or cultural ritual as just a ritual people can but are not obligated to hold if they feel like with no legal meaning to it.
Well it doesn’t have to be a formal contract… but I was thinking there would be like a website with a selection you could pick from, print out, sign and done. And the main reason was to make getting out of a bad relationship clear easy, and most likely no courts involved since everything was already spelled out. Open sourced contracts would in theory be well vetted to be fair.
I think you just redefined a marriage. The function of marriage legally is all those “legal affairs”.
Republicans are some weakass snowflakes .
It’s just exhausting to see them saying this dumb as fuck bullshit and they stay in office term after term. The 14th Amendment is about crimes, not no-fault divorces.
Repubs love ignoring amendments unless they are able to make create sort of fiction that an amendment supports their claims. We have this dumb shit going on while at the same time they’re trying to jam religious trash in the schools.
…“It’s very difficult to get evidence to show abuse of children."
Ain’t that the truth.
