• Treczoks@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    First: Is “every redneck yokel and his dumb brother is allowed to own an arsenal” in anyway better than a government monopoly in that regard?

    Second: This would of course need properly selected and trained policemen, not those trigger-happy yokels that the US uses instead.

    My position is from a country where “Police Brutality” is seen as an American or other third world country thing. We don’t allow every random idiot to own a gun. We have properly trained police. We therefor also don’t have issues like Uvalde and George Floyd. For an American, it is hard to draw a straight line between those factors, but in the rest of the civilized world, it is the standard.

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      6 months ago

      So sorry for assuming you were talking about the US when you talked about school shootings.

      I come from a country like that too, but if you think police brutality doesn’t happen in your country then again: political bubble.

      Go ahead, tell me what country you’re from and I’ll burst it for you.

      I used to say the same thing about my country, Australia, where they’ve recently been imprisoning whistleblowers who expose clear government abuse. EDIT: They’ve also been doing racist colonial violence since day 0 and they have never stopped.

      There is no such thing as a state that can be trusted with violence. They always use it to oppress.

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        6 months ago

        There is no such thing as a state that can be trusted with violence.

        Oh, and trusting random yokels with violence is better?

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          6 months ago

          Unironically yes.

          Now are you going to answer what I’m saying or are you just bowing out of all the points you tried to raise and which I answered?

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            6 months ago

            Unironically yes.

            My condolences.

            Now are you going to answer what I’m saying or are you just bowing out of all the points you tried to raise and which I answered?

            I answered all the relevant ones.

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              6 months ago

              You provided exactly zero reasoning for most of your statements and have now taken a condescending position. People like you are why we can’t have nice things in the world.

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                6 months ago

                WTF do you need a “reasoning” for that normal people should not have guns at all?

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                  6 months ago

                  I prefer basing my opinions on logic, arguments, and facts over feelings. Your inability to articulate a response to certain arguments shows why this is still a debate. Further, you’re relying on the idea that something is crazy to you, therefore it should be to everybody, but that’s not how it works. There’s racist people that use this exact type of reasoning to support their racism.

                  E.G.

                  “Black people are less than white people”

                  logical counterpoint logical counterpoint

                  “WTF do you need a reasoning that black people are less than white people”

                  If your position is really stronger, then it shouldn’t be hard for you to make arguments in favor of it.