These ultra arguments aren’t even just spinning weird contrarian academics, it’s complete reality denial.
I think the most recent poll of Israelis put the ‘approve of the actions in Gaza’ combined with ‘should go further’ at 78%.
That’s only going to be high in the IDF, even taking into account conscription, because a) the most opposed wouldn’t serve so aren’t wouldn’t be part of the IDF sample and b) the majority of the IDF is not made up of freshly drafted 18 year old conscripts.
So maybe there’s like 1 or 2 guys there at statistical most who aren’t totally comfortable with the genocide but still not enough to dodge it or go to jail for a bit.
Why shouldn’t I spit on someone’s grave just because they’re conscripted? Who gives a shit? If you’re willing to commit atrocities because you were conscripted, literally just do it your team and officers. And regardless of conscription, most of them agree with the status quo and want it to go further with genocide. I don’t give a shit if you’re some broke hobo who got sent to war. If you have the same ideology, you being bitter because you got forced to do the dirty work doesn’t make anything different. All those “sad” videos of soldiers reflecting in Iraq or Vietnam or some shit, they’re just sad because they saw their team mates die or because they’re shot at. They couldn’t care less about the people they’ve killed.
And plus, it’s fucking Israel. Just gleams and go to New York or something. There are a bunch of zionists who don’t live in Israel and you’ll fit right in.
They really seem to ignore that said conscripts are more or less handed weapons by the oppressors committing genocide. And puts them in a good position to just take all the weapons they can and build an armed resistance with said weapons. They might have been forced into being there, but they could be finding others and merc-ing the genocidal and apartheid fucks. If the right-wing govs want to unintentionally arm the left and other people that know said govs are evil. Then it seems foolish to not exploit the fuck out of it. Even if the conscripts might have been initially not against their govs. The moment that they wake the fuck up, it is basically still supporting evil if they don’t rebel. Shit is already a war, so the otherwise regular day to day things that might hold someone back are gone. You are either going to be killed for following orders and attacking the oppressed. Or you might get killed for fighting back. If being killed is likely anyway, then fucking at least be on the correct side of shit.
One of the ultra left mods bans someone for questioning the insanity of these responses.
These ultra arguments aren’t even just spinning weird contrarian academics, it’s complete reality denial.
I think the most recent poll of Israelis put the ‘approve of the actions in Gaza’ combined with ‘should go further’ at 78%.
That’s only going to be high in the IDF, even taking into account conscription, because a) the most opposed wouldn’t serve so aren’t wouldn’t be part of the IDF sample and b) the majority of the IDF is not made up of freshly drafted 18 year old conscripts.
So maybe there’s like 1 or 2 guys there at statistical most who aren’t totally comfortable with the genocide but still not enough to dodge it or go to jail for a bit.
Why shouldn’t I spit on someone’s grave just because they’re conscripted? Who gives a shit? If you’re willing to commit atrocities because you were conscripted, literally just do it your team and officers. And regardless of conscription, most of them agree with the status quo and want it to go further with genocide. I don’t give a shit if you’re some broke hobo who got sent to war. If you have the same ideology, you being bitter because you got forced to do the dirty work doesn’t make anything different. All those “sad” videos of soldiers reflecting in Iraq or Vietnam or some shit, they’re just sad because they saw their team mates die or because they’re shot at. They couldn’t care less about the people they’ve killed.
And plus, it’s fucking Israel. Just gleams and go to New York or something. There are a bunch of zionists who don’t live in Israel and you’ll fit right in.
They really seem to ignore that said conscripts are more or less handed weapons by the oppressors committing genocide. And puts them in a good position to just take all the weapons they can and build an armed resistance with said weapons. They might have been forced into being there, but they could be finding others and merc-ing the genocidal and apartheid fucks. If the right-wing govs want to unintentionally arm the left and other people that know said govs are evil. Then it seems foolish to not exploit the fuck out of it. Even if the conscripts might have been initially not against their govs. The moment that they wake the fuck up, it is basically still supporting evil if they don’t rebel. Shit is already a war, so the otherwise regular day to day things that might hold someone back are gone. You are either going to be killed for following orders and attacking the oppressed. Or you might get killed for fighting back. If being killed is likely anyway, then fucking at least be on the correct side of shit.