• Tom742 [any]@hexbear.net
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    I think the overwhelming reason was less an issue of taxes, and more an issue of Britain pressuring the ending of slavery which was the entire basis of the colonies economy. Britain levying taxes unilaterally was unpopular for 2 major reasons, they did not get any input from the colonies, and the money was being raised to pay debts related to the 7 years war, something the colonists felt they had no responsibility to pay.

    The taxation was something easily sold to everybody, but the true concern of the ruling class was Slavery.

    The 1772 Somerset Case ruling is a good place to start if anyone would like to read more about this.

    Edit: to clarify, it’s not as black and white as I make it seem. But slavery was the major function uniting the south in the north’s bid for independence.

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      Wasn’t there also something about the settlers being pissed about the British government restricting how for west the settlers could go to steal native labs and get their Lebensraum?

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        At the time Britain didn’t have as much of a military and had a lot of debt due to overstretching their empire essentially, so there were a lot of fears that the American colonies could get away from Britain both economically and authoritatively. One way they thought to reign in this rogue colony was by instituting a sugar and molasses tax, which would siphon money to pay off war debts. This was extra insulting because the American colonist didn’t see themselves as British, this was seen as paying off another countries debt. They saw themselves as American, a vital component of any settler colonial state. Netanyahu doesn’t present himself as a resident of New Jersey. He is an Israeli citizen.

        Another way they looked to contain the American colonies was to limit westward expansion, correct. Unchecked expansion would very quickly let the colony get out of control.

        While England profited extremely well from the Atlantic slave trade, namely, by turning that cheap cotton into textiles, they also started turning an eye towards ending slavery, both at home and abroad in colonies, including the Americas. This becomes an important factor and a major concern for both the the slaveholding colonists and the slaves themselves seeking freedom.

        It’s no great big coincidence that the constitution laid out a future date ending the importation of slaves. Northern parties wanted to end slavery immediately, or at least lay out the foundation in the path forward for ending slavery. The slave holding parties involved were OK with this middle ground because they foresaw that they wouldn’t need to import any more slaves if they would turn their attention towards breeding programs.

        Britain tried a lot to kind of smother the colonies in the cradle. Shame they didn’t do more.

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          I feel it’s also important to note that the majority reason the north wanted to end slavery was not out of humanitarian reasons, although that was a factor. It was an economic conflict between the northern and southern economies essentially. The north couldn’t really compete with the south when the north has to pay wages and the south doesn’t. This point of time is very deep and very wide. Lots to read and lots to study.

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      Your edit is reasonable but to suggest it as the overwhelming cause seems a bit too far. Granted I’m not a historian but I’ve heard it suggested there isn’t enough to support that view

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        That’s most likely correct, my wording should have been better. I just chafe when I see the america settler colonial projects bid for independence framed only as an issue of taxation. With more reading of diverse sources Slavery focuses into one of the major motivators.

        Further context can be found in the way the slavery conflict was written into the declaration of independence. Even with independence from Britain won, the uniting of the northern industrial and southern slave economies was on extremely rocky footing. By examining the Civil War you can trace the roots of major issues to the American War of Independence.

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          I ended up finding this article about the fate of African Americans after the Yorktown Treaty. Interesting stuff.

          Most historians who cover Yorktown are content to celebrate Washington’s military genius. The blinders imposed by the lingering effects of American exceptionalism deter them from grappling with issues that would complicate the traditional triumphalist narrative. A clear-eyed look at the sources—including those recorded by British and German participants—reveals that for the 200,000 African Americans who composed 40 percent of the Old Dominion’s population, freedom wore a red coat, not blue, in 1781.

          In the leadup to the War of Independence, prominent white colonists feared that British authorities would liberate their enslaved persons in retaliation for rebellion. The African American population certainly hoped that would be the case. After conversing with two Blacks in service to a Pennsylvania family fleeing the Redcoats’ advance on Philadelphia, Rev. Henry Melchior Muhlenberg, a Lutheran minister, confided to his diary on September 20, 1777: “They secretly wished that the British army might win, for then all Negro slaves will gain their freedom. It is said that this sentiment is almost universal among the Negroes in America.”

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            The book Settlers is always highly recommended and it delves into this event a little, a good companion piece could be The 1619 Project as well!

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          It’s fascinating to me so I’ll add it to my list of things to look into. Thanks for including it in your comments.

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            Slaves were just as instrumental in the war of independence as they were in the Civil War. During both conflicts they were misled by false promises of freedom. It’s a very fascinating part of American history that has been largely overlooked by white male historians, go figure.