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solo@slrpnk.net to Not The Onion@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 year ago

Louisiana becomes 1st state to require the Ten Commandments be posted in classrooms

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Louisiana becomes 1st state to require the Ten Commandments be posted in classrooms

www.nola.com

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Louisiana will become the first state to require that public universities and K-12 schools display the Ten Commandments in every classroom after the Senate voted overwhelmingly to push forward new
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    violating the constitution by establishment of a religion

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      Louisiana is a real conservative religious armpit.

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      States can establish religions. Federal government can’t.

      Edit: Forgot that federal government can indoctrinate religion just fine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

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        States can establish religions. Federal government can’t.

        Over the last 150 years, the Supreme Court has pretty consistently found that the Bill of Rights applies to state as well as federal government: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

        See especially https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education:

        Everson v. Board of Education … was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that applied the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to state law.

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          Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes disagrees that religion cannot be established.

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            The pledge isn’t mandatory. By law, it has to be optional. Schools have gotten in trouble over it.

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              Don’t bother. Every time you point out they say something that isn’t true, they change the subject.

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              There are so many cases of promoting Christianity by the US government, a few cherrypicked cases of “trouble” doesn’t disprove any of this.

              • “As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

              Also, the US print religious indoctrination on their currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

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                I’m not arguing for religion to be in school. I’m just saying what’s there is already bad enough without making stuff up.

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            Its also said “with liberty and justice for all” during a time where people kept literal slaves, without a hint of irony.

            The wording far too inconsistent and vague to be taken as literally as you’re attempting to take them.

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        That’s not how it works. State law can’t supersede federal law.

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          State law can’t supersede federal law.

          And Congress cannot pass laws on that. Constitution says so.

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            That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent. Only a Clarence Thomas-level originalist would make such an argument.

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              That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent.

              Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes proves that establishing religion in the US is fine.

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                Those are literally not mandatory.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette

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                  Those are literally not mandatory.

                  Except when they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

                  • “the Pledge of Allegiance does not violate the rights of those who don’t believe in God and does not have to be removed from the patriotic message”

                  • “As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.”

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                    I’m not sure what you think those quotes prove. Those quotes say nothing about it being mandatory.

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        Not if the 14th amendment has anything to say about it. The incorporation doctrine of the 14th amendment applies the first 10 amendments to the state level as well.

        https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/incorporation_doctrine

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