Living on terf island I couldn’t agree more. Fuck the EU, soft brexit would’ve been fine. Like, not great but still not the living hell that has been occurring since hard brexit.
Either way destruction of the EU is a prerequisite to socialism in europe. It literally exists to be neoliberal and prevent it.
The EU is a neoliberal abomination. Leaving the EU to get blue passports and do more racism is not going to improve things though. European countries are too small to be on their own against the powers of capital as the rapid dismantling of living standards for common people in Terf Island post-Brexit shows. It seems like the viable alternative to the EU is some kind of pro-worker European community that doesn’t exist yet.
Leaving the EU to get blue passports and do more racism is not going to improve things though. European countries are too small to be on their own against the powers of capital as the rapid dismantling of living standards for common people in Terf Island post-Brexit shows.
That’s not the only thing leaving the EU allows for, anything that happens in the UK now is entirely the fault of UK politicians, there’s not the EU scapegoat (which is a real scapegoat) anymore which means brits are in a better position to actually change things politically and exercise their sovereignty than any EU country, and that dismantling of standards that is happening in the UK is happening elsewhere in the EU too, except here in EU countries politics can’t actually be about changing that since it explicitly means going against european institutions.
It seems like the viable alternative to the EU is some kind of pro-worker European community that doesn’t exist yet.
Yeah, which is not the EU. I’m just being facetious when I say I hope everybody leaves I know it’s more complicated than leaving and staying, but what the comments here told me is that some, hopefully not european, leftists really think the european working class is better off with the EU than they would be if they fought it. SAD!!!
I grant that there is an argument to be made for the accelerationist potential of Brexit. We have seen some really impressive strikes and I wouldn’t be surprised if more and more Brits are losing faith in the Westminster parties being able and willing to improve things.
Good things could come from this but declining standards of living, a sclerotic and undemocratic political system combined with emboldened racism also has the potential to lead to fascism.
If in, say, Portugal you want to invest more in healthcare (or apply any radical policy) the government can say “the european comission won’t approve this budget so we can’t do this!”, and that’s true, the budget would get rejected by the EC and you’d have to come up with a new one, and since “the EU is always right” in countries like these everyone will just bow their heads and go “ok guess the government can’t do this thing everyone wants them to do” this is how european politics actually work
Now if you remove the EU, which is an untouchable far-away institution, you have your national government, which is a closer less-untouchable institution.
Now if you remove the EU, which is an untouchable far-away institution, you have your national government, which is a closer less-untouchable institution.
Which can still blame things on those darned eurocrats and their disdain for the island of albion, as seen above and in other examples. Do we have different definitions of what a scapegoat is? I understand it as an entity that isn’t at fault for whatever bad thing but is made to look like one
If in, say, Portugal you want to invest more in healthcare (or apply any radical policy) the government can say “the european comission won’t approve this budget so we can’t do this!”, and that’s true, the budget would get rejected by the EC and you’d have to come up with a new one, and since “the EU is always right” in countries like these everyone will just bow their heads and go “ok guess the government can’t do this thing everyone wants them to do” this is how european politics actually work
The EU has pretty much zilch enforcement mechanisms for anything. Any they do have is political power, not bureaucratic power.
The EU is crap but it not existing isn’t the better alternative tbh. I think way more EU countries would fall to fascism if the EU stopped existing, I’d take neoliberal bureaucrats over my local fascists any time.
Here’s the monthly hexbear yankee weirdly pro-eu post
Hope every country leaves the EU
Edit: And the weirdly pro-eu communist replies
Living on terf island I couldn’t agree more. Fuck the EU, soft brexit would’ve been fine. Like, not great but still not the living hell that has been occurring since hard brexit.
Either way destruction of the EU is a prerequisite to socialism in europe. It literally exists to be neoliberal and prevent it.
The EU is a neoliberal abomination. Leaving the EU to get blue passports and do more racism is not going to improve things though. European countries are too small to be on their own against the powers of capital as the rapid dismantling of living standards for common people in Terf Island post-Brexit shows. It seems like the viable alternative to the EU is some kind of pro-worker European community that doesn’t exist yet.
That’s not the only thing leaving the EU allows for, anything that happens in the UK now is entirely the fault of UK politicians, there’s not the EU scapegoat (which is a real scapegoat) anymore which means brits are in a better position to actually change things politically and exercise their sovereignty than any EU country, and that dismantling of standards that is happening in the UK is happening elsewhere in the EU too, except here in EU countries politics can’t actually be about changing that since it explicitly means going against european institutions.
Yeah, which is not the EU. I’m just being facetious when I say I hope everybody leaves I know it’s more complicated than leaving and staying, but what the comments here told me is that some, hopefully not european, leftists really think the european working class is better off with the EU than they would be if they fought it. SAD!!!
I grant that there is an argument to be made for the accelerationist potential of Brexit. We have seen some really impressive strikes and I wouldn’t be surprised if more and more Brits are losing faith in the Westminster parties being able and willing to improve things.
Good things could come from this but declining standards of living, a sclerotic and undemocratic political system combined with emboldened racism also has the potential to lead to fascism.
Yeah, it’s a scapegoat, and it will continue to be a scapegoat for the exact same reasons - see article above
Doesn’t disprove my point, the government can still blame the EU all it wants it won’t work as well as it does in EU countries
huh?
If in, say, Portugal you want to invest more in healthcare (or apply any radical policy) the government can say “the european comission won’t approve this budget so we can’t do this!”, and that’s true, the budget would get rejected by the EC and you’d have to come up with a new one, and since “the EU is always right” in countries like these everyone will just bow their heads and go “ok guess the government can’t do this thing everyone wants them to do” this is how european politics actually work
Now if you remove the EU, which is an untouchable far-away institution, you have your national government, which is a closer less-untouchable institution.
Which can still blame things on those darned eurocrats and their disdain for the island of albion, as seen above and in other examples. Do we have different definitions of what a scapegoat is? I understand it as an entity that isn’t at fault for whatever bad thing but is made to look like one
The EU has pretty much zilch enforcement mechanisms for anything. Any they do have is political power, not bureaucratic power.
Tbf it was much easier for the UK to leave the EU since they still had their own currency, it will be much harder for countries that took the euro.
The EU is crap but it not existing isn’t the better alternative tbh. I think way more EU countries would fall to fascism if the EU stopped existing, I’d take neoliberal bureaucrats over my local fascists any time.
Neoliberal bureaucrats create conditions for fascists.
They always have. Doesn’t mean they’re not preferable to the actual fascists considering how abysmal the state of the left is in the EU right now.