Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.
This is murder.
Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.
This is murder.
Worth noting that the car didn’t have plates according to the Police.
Hardly the Police job to solve poverty?
This 21 Year old has a 6 and 3 year old sons. I’ll let you do the math on that. But it adds up to before some states had bans.
Regardless. They should not have drawn their guns since she didn’t pose any immediate threat.
Regardless. Fact of the matter is that the situation only escalated after the police drew their weapons.
Regardless, her trying to run one of the cops down is only going to end 1 way.
First of all, red states made it next to impossible to get abortions even when it was legal. Also, they cost money. Contrary to apparent popular belief, George Soros or the DNC don’t just appear to fund every abortion. Or, sometimes people are Catholic, which is fucking stupid, but maybe there’s some family shit you don’t know about. Especially for a minor trying to get an abortion. Again, contrary to popular belief, they weren’t just being handed out for free on every corner to every 16 year old who wanted one. There were still a million obstacles long before the Dobbs decision.
Second, “I’ll let you do the math” is a judgey, self-righteous, and gross statement.
Abortions are available in ohio. That is what matters here, since the argument being responded to was, “let her have an abortion”.
Are you going to add any anything of worth?
It’s indeed not the job for the police to solve poverty and I’m sure this woman has her problems.
None of that excuses what happened. They should never have pulled their guns. That police officer should not have been standing in front of the car. The woman tried to run away, nit murder a cop. The officer was standing in the most dangerous nokace he could, I’m arguing that that was in purpose. “I’ll stand where if you make a move you might kill me, giving me reason to shoot you”
Even that car not having license plates excuses anything. Then follow her, distantly. She’ll stop somewhere, pick her up there.
Hell, even letting her go is preferable to this outcome. It doesn’t matter that his woman had kids since she was 15, it’s irrelevant. It doesn’t matter that she is poor, uneducated, it’s all irrelevant.
The point is that police in the US is horribly educated, and has a terrible culture. They need to be educated for years, not 6 months. They need to get a culture of “we are to protect and serve” instead of “we are Rambo Cowboy”. They need to learn to calm and deescalate every situation they arrive in, not always make shit worse
I already said that they shouldn’t have drawn weapons didn’t I?
Your story about how they should follow her from a distant and stop her once she gets out is just fantasy. That’s also not where the fault lies.
Her trying to run one over is vehicular assault at best. Yes. The police stood there on purpose. To make sure she didn’t take off. That’s fine. Dare I say common procedure in multiple countries, not just the US.
Pretty sure it’s been stated everywhere that their education and work culture is a big problem. I agree. The police conduct that lead up to the shooting was poor. I agree.
The moment she tries to run one over. It was only going to end 1 way.
I’m agreeing with you in my first comment so I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue.
It’s reality in countries with police officers who had an actual education and training though. Let the “criminals” go for now, pick them up later. In this case, it would have saved two lives.
Yes, when it’s deemed that approaching the criminal in public poses an imminent danger to the public.
Or if they have reason to believe that the Alleged shoplifting is organized, They might hold of to later follow them home and conduct a search of the home for evidence of more stolen items.
Are suggesting she’s either a danger to the public or part of organized shoplifting?
Or when approaching a SUSPECT (she wasn’t convicted of anything) causes danger to the suspect itself, for example.
Let’s say that she is mentally ill, just to make the point. Are we going to do the same? Stand in front of the car, she gets a panic attack and just drives without thinking because of me tal illness. Are we going to shoot her too?
Oh wait, that is what is happening all the time in the USA where innocent civilians with mental illnesses are murdered by police because police in the US isn’t trained to do their job right. This is actual realiti there.
Again, had these police officers been trained properly, she (and her unborn baby) would still be alive today.
This is not on her, this is on US police. Again.
The police should not have drawn weapons.
She should not try to run them over. Not sure why that’s a controversial take for you.
Okay, question: are you okay with police shooting the mentally ill when they’re having some episode? That, instead of controlling the situation and making sure that everyone gets out safely?
And if you’re not, then why are you okay with them shooting a pregnant woman that likely got scared after they drew their weapons on her?
Did I say i thought this whole thing was ok?
Did I not explicitly say, multiple times. They shouldn’t have had weapons drawn?
What you’re being caught up on. Is her choosing to run an officer down and then be like woah… they shot for that?
This woman was for all we know. Sane. She would have known that if you try to run over a cop. They’re going to shoot you. Even if everything that lead up to that was the police mistake. She sealed her fate on her own with her last action. The police was wrong for handling the situation poorly. She was wrong for trying to run them over.
Let me put it this way for you. Think this sums up my feelings towards the situation:
I know that a semi-truck is supposed to, by law. Stop for me at a pedestrian crossing without lights. I have the right of way. That doesn’t mean I’m just gonna go for it without looking. Because I don’t want to die.
Is it the trucks fault for plowing through a pedestrian crossing and not seeing me? Yes.
Could I have also done something to prevent the situation? Yes.
I would say it’s mostly my fault for not looking before crossing. Because I’m a fully functioning adult that knows i should look before crossing. I’m the one getting hurt by my own action.
Exactly. I get the hate on police, and frankly they did initiate the situation here and should have handled things better, but ultimately if you intentionally drive a vehicle into someone responding with a gun is warranted.
The thing is she didn’t floor it. Didnt even pull away quickly. He could have stepped out of the way… he in fact did, right after he pulled the trigger and shot her. He literally stood in front of the car, pulled his gun and basically said “move the car and you die”. He put himself in harms way, pulled his gun and escalated the situation.
This will in all likelihood be deemed a justified shooting by the police and court, but with a little compassion from the officer it could have ended without this lady being dead. Bet he doesn’t even care.
Yeah I was thinking the same, she moved very cautiously forwards, he then basically climbed onto the hood and shot her. She was being so careful he had the perfect shot lined up.
Almost certainly - but I would still say this is more or less rightly so. Maybe they can successfully argue that she wasn’t trying to kill him, she was trying to drive around him, based on evidence from the video. Normally a court would give the benefit of the doubt to the victim of having a car driven towards them, but if that doubt can be proven with video then that’s another matter.
He definitely wanted to shoot from the start. He initiated that whole situation to give himself justification to draw, he created the opportunity to kill her. A lack of compassion is an understatement.
The phrase “the police should have handled it better but…” should just be outlawed. I guess it does let everyone know to never have a conversation with whoever says it though, so I guess there’s that.
What’s with users like yourself behaving like assholes to other users all the time recently? Personal insults are lame.
Where is the insult? I just see you calling someone an asshole…
I didn’t call them an asshole, I said they were behaving like one. I assume they’re perfectly capable of not acting that way and are just taking an opportunity where they feel they can get away with it.
The insult was in implying that what I say has no value simply because I’m pointing out the police aren’t the only ones who did things wrong here; rather than engaging and arguing ideas they made an ad hominem attack. Saying that in reply to me but directed at everyone else is incredibly rude.
That’s like the guy at UPS saying my package isn’t lost, he just can’t find it.
From what I could see, the gun was out first. Most people go their whole lives without having a gun pointed at them. How you will respond is very unpredictable. Panic sets in - it doesn’t seem real. Cops are (or at least should be) trained on how to handle life or death situations- ordinary people are not.
The gun was drawn when she started turning the wheel to drive around the officer stood in front. You can hear it coming out of its holster, and you don’t see it before then.
However, I’m not condoning the officer’s behaviour here. They created the situation, they should have known better, both reasonably and from their training. What they did was essentially a form of entrapment.
All I’m saying is that she made a mistake herself also by driving the car towards him, and, regardless of whether it’s a police officer or a regular human being, responding with a gun is most likely going to be justified.
So what your saying is the gun was drawn after she showed signs of non-violent escape?
Anything else is apologetics.