US has 4-5x less the population of the PRC. The PRC is doing a better job, with room to improve, of feeding its citizens.
Which means, given the government’s record in improving the quality of life of China for the past 50 years, the CPC is on a trajectory of virtually solving food insecurity in China.
Now, let us be honest. All of your questions in this thread are just begging the same questions other federated instanced posters are asking:
Why don’t you share our hate for China?
Personally, hate doesn’t make me happy. I don’t hate China because if their prosperity would mean US decline, it means there’s something wrong with the economic system that treats survival in a world of post scarcity production as a zero sum game. After China is balkanized, and a decade of harvesting China and the rest of Asia occur, the US would invent new enemies and power blocs to exploit and eviscerate. An elimination of the last world powers would just reinvent the same exploitative power dynamics that the US and Europe had with the continents of South America, Africa, and Asia in the 18th and 19th centuries.
I would live in prosperity off exploiting others or in perpetual misery supporting alienated, affluent, and hollow people.
Even if that doesn’t bother you, or you don’t care about China, you should still know that the elimination of those enemies won’t result in the reintroduction of a New Deal in the 21st century. Paraphrasing from someone: You’re not going to get Star Trek, or the world of Interstellar. You’re getting Elysium and then we’re all getting extinction.
Just a life of meaninglessness under the leadership of the West.
You don’t have to praise or fawn over China but you can’t delude yourself into believing that the collapse and dissolution of America’s enemies would mean that their spoils would be shared with you. It’ll be shared among the masters, administrators, and enforcers of annihilation. And all that cheerleading, xenophobia, and chauvinism would just end up wasting your own time and your colleagues time in preventing the annihilation of meaning and solidarity between humanity.
Man, the thought terminating cliche rigging of the brains of people on these subjects is really depressing.
We make long well thought out good faith posts and get dismissed as propaganda, even though we’re just regular people with earnest opinions. Like come on, have some intellectual curiosity. Think. This isnt even a enthusiastically pro-China post. Please. If you’re going to come to our instance, please, please actually come here in good faith.
Earnest and good faith? I clicked the fucking link, there was a literal NSFW pig, shitting on its fucking testicles. Why would I listen to what they have to say after that?
99% of the post was earnest and good faith, it ended with one of our memes. Stop doing that thing libs do where they pick out one element of a post to refuse to engage with the rest of it. You’re just making excuses to not think.
Also, you’re switching lanes here anyway. You said it was propaganda. Not that you were put off by the meme at the end.
Why would I “engage in good faith in the marketplace of ideas” with authoritarian, fake communists that justify or deny brutal genocides like the Holodomor and cultural genocides of the Uyghurs? See I don’t think you’re as bad as fascists and nazis but I also find the kind of authoritarian rhetoric very scary and dangerous.
The only cultural genocide committed against the Uighurs is the one you support by believing the lies of the US and Saudi backed separatists
Uighur culture is Muslim but not traditionally super conservative; the real cultural genocide was when they banned dancing and drinking alcohol in public, not when China cracked down on the reactionary religious extremists who were oppressing Xinjiang and becoming a threat to all of China
I wish we had the power to do the same to reactionary Christians here in because re-education is the only hope for any of them
The holodomor is a lie propagated by literal nazis to downplay the actual genocide of the Holocaust and you are committing Holocaust denial every time you call it genocide
The real event you’re thinking of is the Bowlodomor, that was when Stalin loaded all the weed in into the bowl of his giant bong and inhaled it all in a single breath before exhaling a breath of smoke so large it covered the whole Ukrainian sky while saying “look at me, I’m the dragon of communism”
While that did cause a famine, to be fair it was really really funny
“denying” the “genocide” of the holodomor, or, in other words, not downplaying the actual literal Holocaust. Please, go read some serious historians and not Robert Conquest. No one who has seriously studied the issue, and actually had access to the Soviet archives thinks that it was a genocide. Take just one small fact for example: if the holodomor was a targeted genocide of Ukrainians, why did more Kazakhs die during the famine? Why do they not cry “genocide” like the Ukrainian state?
Regardless, it’s responses like this that warrant the pig poop balls. No investigation, no right to speak.
I’m sure it’s overlooked that Stalin was committing genocide on Muslims even moreso than Ukrainians!
"I’m sure I’m right, I must be! "
Again, come on man, no investigation, no right to speak. No one who has studied this more than you or I ever will believes it was a intentional genocide. Go read the new translation of Losurdo’s Stalin, that’ll do you more good than whatever it was you were going to do tomorrow.
If you like Lenin you should read about his thoughts on imperialism sometime. His works on the subject inform the views on geopolitics of the “tankies” you so despise.
(You should also read “On Authority” by Engels since you throw around the word authoritarian a lot).
What in that users post that you rejected as propaganda had anything to do with the Uighurs or Holodomor. Like, you’re wrong about those things and the facts are on our side on those issues, but I don’t even care about that. And neither do you, they’re just excuses to not engage with things intellectually for you. You dont give a fuck about Uighurs.
When they say something like “I’m not reading that propaganda!” or “Umm acktually, no u!” or “You’re being rude to me! I’m not listening to you! Waaaah!” it’s just a sign that they know they don’t actually have a counter argument anymore. They know their position is one of smug ignorance, and they’re just too pathetic to admit they might be wrong about something.
That’s really rude, you asked a question, someone gave you an answer, and then you dismiss the answer as propaganda without reading it because it’s difficult to read. This isn’t what Bernie would do.
I’m saying your China hate isn’t going to make you happy or wealthy. No one on Hexbear here hates China with you, and you just come off as a nihlistic anti-intellectual loser.
You’re probably a troll, but it still bears worth typing out why I - and others who share my view or are malleable to it - don’t waste our time scapegoating a country for a decline in quality of life here in the West.
You’re smelly. You have poop running down your pants and piss making squishy sounds on your shoes. I, and all humanity, cringe at you.
Similar amount go hungry in the US
US has 4-5x less the population of the PRC. The PRC is doing a better job, with room to improve, of feeding its citizens.
Which means, given the government’s record in improving the quality of life of China for the past 50 years, the CPC is on a trajectory of virtually solving food insecurity in China.
Now, let us be honest. All of your questions in this thread are just begging the same questions other federated instanced posters are asking:
Why don’t you share our hate for China?
Personally, hate doesn’t make me happy. I don’t hate China because if their prosperity would mean US decline, it means there’s something wrong with the economic system that treats survival in a world of post scarcity production as a zero sum game. After China is balkanized, and a decade of harvesting China and the rest of Asia occur, the US would invent new enemies and power blocs to exploit and eviscerate. An elimination of the last world powers would just reinvent the same exploitative power dynamics that the US and Europe had with the continents of South America, Africa, and Asia in the 18th and 19th centuries.
I would live in prosperity off exploiting others or in perpetual misery supporting alienated, affluent, and hollow people.
Even if that doesn’t bother you, or you don’t care about China, you should still know that the elimination of those enemies won’t result in the reintroduction of a New Deal in the 21st century. Paraphrasing from someone: You’re not going to get Star Trek, or the world of Interstellar. You’re getting Elysium and then we’re all getting extinction.
Just a life of meaninglessness under the leadership of the West.
You don’t have to praise or fawn over China but you can’t delude yourself into believing that the collapse and dissolution of America’s enemies would mean that their spoils would be shared with you. It’ll be shared among the masters, administrators, and enforcers of annihilation. And all that cheerleading, xenophobia, and chauvinism would just end up wasting your own time and your colleagues time in preventing the annihilation of meaning and solidarity between humanity.
This infographic would explain my point better
Aint reading allat propaganda 🤣🤣
Man, the thought terminating cliche rigging of the brains of people on these subjects is really depressing.
We make long well thought out good faith posts and get dismissed as propaganda, even though we’re just regular people with earnest opinions. Like come on, have some intellectual curiosity. Think. This isnt even a enthusiastically pro-China post. Please. If you’re going to come to our instance, please, please actually come here in good faith.
Earnest and good faith? I clicked the fucking link, there was a literal NSFW pig, shitting on its fucking testicles. Why would I listen to what they have to say after that?
99% of the post was earnest and good faith, it ended with one of our memes. Stop doing that thing libs do where they pick out one element of a post to refuse to engage with the rest of it. You’re just making excuses to not think.
Also, you’re switching lanes here anyway. You said it was propaganda. Not that you were put off by the meme at the end.
Why would I “engage in good faith in the marketplace of ideas” with authoritarian, fake communists that justify or deny brutal genocides like the Holodomor and cultural genocides of the Uyghurs? See I don’t think you’re as bad as fascists and nazis but I also find the kind of authoritarian rhetoric very scary and dangerous.
The only cultural genocide committed against the Uighurs is the one you support by believing the lies of the US and Saudi backed separatists
Uighur culture is Muslim but not traditionally super conservative; the real cultural genocide was when they banned dancing and drinking alcohol in public, not when China cracked down on the reactionary religious extremists who were oppressing Xinjiang and becoming a threat to all of China
I wish we had the power to do the same to reactionary Christians here in
because re-education is the only hope for any of them
The holodomor is a lie propagated by literal nazis to downplay the actual genocide of the Holocaust and you are committing Holocaust denial every time you call it genocide
The real event you’re thinking of is the Bowlodomor, that was when Stalin loaded all the weed in
into the bowl of his giant bong and inhaled it all in a single breath before exhaling a breath of smoke so large it covered the whole Ukrainian sky while saying “look at me, I’m the dragon of communism”
While that did cause a famine, to be fair it was really really funny
“denying” the “genocide” of the holodomor, or, in other words, not downplaying the actual literal Holocaust. Please, go read some serious historians and not Robert Conquest. No one who has seriously studied the issue, and actually had access to the Soviet archives thinks that it was a genocide. Take just one small fact for example: if the holodomor was a targeted genocide of Ukrainians, why did more Kazakhs die during the famine? Why do they not cry “genocide” like the Ukrainian state?
Regardless, it’s responses like this that warrant the pig poop balls. No investigation, no right to speak.
That’s a good point-- I’m sure it’s overlooked that Stalin was committing genocide on Muslims even moreso than Ukrainians!
FYI I like Lenin just not authoritarian capitalist Stalin that caused the decline of Soviet communism.
"I’m sure I’m right, I must be!
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Again, come on man, no investigation, no right to speak. No one who has studied this more than you or I ever will believes it was a intentional genocide. Go read the new translation of Losurdo’s Stalin, that’ll do you more good than whatever it was you were going to do tomorrow.
If you like Lenin you should read about his thoughts on imperialism sometime. His works on the subject inform the views on geopolitics of the “tankies” you so despise.
(You should also read “On Authority” by Engels since you throw around the word authoritarian a lot).
What in that users post that you rejected as propaganda had anything to do with the Uighurs or Holodomor. Like, you’re wrong about those things and the facts are on our side on those issues, but I don’t even care about that. And neither do you, they’re just excuses to not engage with things intellectually for you. You dont give a fuck about Uighurs.
LMAO banger site tagline, Bernie would be proud of your contribution.
When they say something like “I’m not reading that propaganda!” or “Umm acktually, no u!” or “You’re being rude to me! I’m not listening to you! Waaaah!” it’s just a sign that they know they don’t actually have a counter argument anymore. They know their position is one of smug ignorance, and they’re just too pathetic to admit they might be wrong about something.
That’s really rude, you asked a question, someone gave you an answer, and then you dismiss the answer as propaganda without reading it because it’s difficult to read. This isn’t what Bernie would do.
@Bernie2028@midwest.social
I’m saying your China hate isn’t going to make you happy or wealthy. No one on Hexbear here hates China with you, and you just come off as a nihlistic anti-intellectual loser.
You’re probably a troll, but it still bears worth typing out why I - and others who share my view or are malleable to it - don’t waste our time scapegoating a country for a decline in quality of life here in the West.
You’re smelly. You have poop running down your pants and piss making squishy sounds on your shoes. I, and all humanity, cringe at you.