HANOI - Vietnamese prosecutors called on Tuesday for the death penalty to be handed to Truong My Lan, the mastermind of the Southeast Asian nation's largest financial fraud on record, state media said.
  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1046·
    9 months ago

    We seem to like to draw a line between crimes where the damages caused are visible from those where the damages caused are less visible, but its undoubtable that the crimes of the wealthy, so called white collar crimes, cause just as real material pain and suffering and societal damage.

    If anything, the consequences of a crime should be scaled by your wealth and privileged in a society, because you really have no excuse for not following the law. Earn above a million dollars a year? Well a parking ticket costs you 10s of thousands of dollars? Earn above a billion a year and park outside the lines? Gallows.

    • fustigation769curtain@lemmy.worldEnglish
      293·
      9 months ago

      Earn above a billion a year and park outside the lines? Gallows.

      Making these people members of the working class is a fate worse than death.

      I think we should just do that.

    • girlfreddy@lemmy.caEnglish
      51·
      9 months ago

      If proven beyond a doubt, I agree. But the communist leadership has been fairly lax on enforcement … until now that is. One has to wonder why all of a sudden they’ve decided to do something?

  • girlfreddy@lemmy.caEnglish
    581·
    9 months ago

    I feel like this is an important thing.

    Top global firms, such as Ernst & Young and KPMG, did not flag concerns about the bank in their audits, public documents show.

    • BugKilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      9 months ago

      The board, CEOs and senior executives of these leeches need to be standing in line holding their wicker baskets.

  • az04@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5614·
    9 months ago

    The state shouldn’t be in the business of killing people.

    • gmtom@lemmy.worldEnglish
      361·
      9 months ago

      While true, billionaires shouldn’t be in the business of existing.

    • Hooverx@lemm.eeEnglish
      292·
      9 months ago

      $12 billion dollars is the equivalent of the 1.3 million years of work in vietnam. that’s the livelihoods of more than 34000 people, stolen to profit one person.

      • nutsack@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        The Vietnamese government does things like this on a cyclical basis. Every rich person here and everyone in government is corrupt as fuck. The president resigned a few hours ago over corruption. The president before him resigned just over a year ago over corruption. They’re all stealing money. New government comes in and puts the old government in jail for corruption. A newer government comes in and puts that government in jail for corruption. Death sentences for people in top positions and bankers and whoever else. But they’re all corrupt. Everyone above middle class here is corrupt.

    • Plopp@lemmy.worldEnglish
      205·
      9 months ago

      Completely agree. Except for billionaires. Kill them all and do something useful for society with their money.

      • blackn1ght@feddit.ukEnglish
        62·
        9 months ago

        Man people on this site are so bloodthirsty. Why not just seize their assets and liquidate them?

        • Asafum@feddit.nlEnglish
          5·
          9 months ago

          I honestly think there is comfort in the idea that it will literally never happen so it’s easier for them to throw around “guillotine” in place of “I’m mad and I hate these people.”

          They’ll still argue that they mean it but they will literally never do it.

          Never.

          Again for those in the back, you people will never break out the guillotines, it’s all talk.

        • Schnabeltierpoet@feddit.deEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          Why not just seize their assets and liquidate them?

          YES, YES! Seize their assets and liquidate the billionaires!

        • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          The damage billionaires can do by leveraging their money is so immense it could financially ruin many people’s lives. How many end up homeless or kill themselves out of despair? Their one life isn’t enough to balance the scales but it’ll send a very clear message to white collar criminals once one is executed: the damage you do is tantamount to first degree murder and will be punished as such.

    • ahornsirup@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      8511·
      9 months ago

      I’m not. Imprison her for life, but the death penalty is never acceptable as long as there’s even the slightest chance of a false conviction. As long as “the system” can get it wrong, it should not be allowed to carry out irreversible punishments.

      • Wrench@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        9 months ago

        As they say, there are no moral ethical billionaires. In order to enrich themselves so much over their peers, they have necessarily trampled over them.

        I do agree that giving a government the official power to just execute whoever they want (it would be trivial to manufacture a case like this in Vietnam) is a very bad precedent to set.

        But, I mean, Vietnam is an authoritarian government, so this shouldn’t surprise anyone.

      • Hooverx@lemm.eeEnglish
        54·
        9 months ago

        communist country executes bourgeois, capitalists horrified

        • ahornsirup@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          9·
          9 months ago

          You’re not wrong, but at least there’s a chance that they’ll be released, and with therapy they might even have a normal life again some day. If you kill someone, they’re dead. Nothing you can do about it beyond maybe putting an “Oops, our bad, sorry about that” plaque on their headstone.

          I will also say that prisons should not be cruel. The role of prisons should be rehabilitation, protection of society from those who can’t be rehabilitated, and lastly (and for once actually least importantly) punishment.

          • John_McMurray@lemmy.worldEnglish
            14·
            9 months ago

            The rehabilitation line is a lie people tell themselves to feel better about being ok with extreme cruelty

            • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
              32·
              9 months ago

              there are other countries who have actually worked successfully at rehabilitation rather than the US-based system of ‘revenge as justice’.

              lumping everyone in line with the revenge types is an ignorant, immature stance.

              • John_McMurray@lemmy.worldEnglish
                13·
                9 months ago

                Nah. Figures lie and liars figure. These other countries are generally homogenous with very very low poverty

            • Gnome Kat@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              3·
              9 months ago

              I just support prison abolition in general, especially here in the US where I am. The shear number of poor, poc, indigenous, and mentally ill people who get funneled into the prison system here is a travesty and just pointless cruelty. TBH i dont give a fuck about one billionaire as long as the money is taken back and she loses all her power. Though I also do not support the death penalty so this headline doesn’t make me feel super comfortable.

  • ABCDE@lemmy.worldEnglish
    167·
    9 months ago

    The whole country is corrupt, it’s just so open and brazen. No one would be left alive if they did this to anyone guilty.

    • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
      98·
      9 months ago

      Seriously. Traveling to Vietnam was eye-opening. We did nothing good to that country and then they did nothing to help themselves afterwards, probably because of all the good ol’ American Corruption that came after we firebombed it back to the stone age.

      • appel@whiskers.bim.boatsEnglish
        203·
        9 months ago

        Wtf are you on about? I’ve been to Vietnam several times and the progress they have achieved in such a short period of time is incredible. They have built megacities on the ground where the yanks firebombed. Have you been to Da Nang? Walked around HCMC? Spoken to the people? They are evidently working against the corruption, as we can see in this article, whereas where I live everyone knows the govt sends cash to their buddies and no one can do anything about it? (The UK)

        • ABCDE@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          9 months ago

          They are evidently working against the corruption

          Lol no they aren’t, they are all making bank by fucking those below them over. I’ve lived there for years, it’s endemic and sickening; people are left stranded to die because they divert money and aid to their own pockets rather than to the people. Corruption is head to toe in government agencies and banks.

          • appel@whiskers.bim.boatsEnglish
            8·
            9 months ago

            Frankly man I find this very insulting and pretty racist. You don’t have a good word to say about them eh?

            • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
              29·
              9 months ago

              Is it racist to call a latrine a shithole? What if the entire country was a poorly managed, poorly constructed, poorly infrastructured, poorly supported, and poorly developed piece of land going to be called? I call it a shithole. Harsh? Sure. Racist? No.

  • Alien Nathan Edward@lemm.eeEnglish
    2·
    9 months ago

    Giving the state the power to kill a certain class of people is a great way to get the state to reclassify anyone inconvenient as a member of that class so they can be murdered legally. With that being said, I’m unlikely to get Vietnam to eliminate the death penalty entirely or be mistaken for a corrupt billionaire so maybe this will remind the other billionaires that they’re made of soft, fragile meat just like the rest of us.