Or how about his plan to sacrifice the West Bank for a “Gaza Plus” without full statehood, where somehow Egypt gives up the Sainai Peninsula, all Palestinians, including Palestinians in the West Bank and Egypt, are forced to live there, and all right of return claims are nullified in perpetuity?
And then there’s Project 2025, where Trump and Republicans plan to make the U.S. a Christian theocracy. How do they think Muslim Americans will be treated?
But none of that matters because they can call Biden “Genocide Joe” and say not to vote for him because of it.
That sounds absolutely bonkers and I don’t want any of that to come to pass. But I can’t sleep with myself at night knowing that I’m voting for someone who is going out of his way to send weapons to facilitate an active genocide.
Instead of framing this as my failing for bringing about Trump because I won’t vote for continued genocide, try to see it in terms of your (the rhetorical “your”) failing by insisting that my choice be fixed between enabling an atrocious genocide or bringing about the end of our civilization. The solution is the obvious third choice, run somebody else beside Biden. He is too unpalatable to reliably beat Trump, so don’t run him.
Insisting that we hold our nose and vote for an unelectable candidate failed with Clinton (how we got Trump the first time) and she was just unpopular. Going ahead with the same demonstrably failed strategy with someone who is a direct party to a genocide is even more foolish.
I’m not going to vote for Biden unless he reins in Israel and stops facilitating war crimes there and it’s still going to be hard knowing what he has done. I would vote for any other Democrat that runs in his place. Insulting me because I won’t vote for a candidate who is a party to war crimes won’t work. If you need my vote, you can’t ask me to do what I’m telling you I won’t do. There’s nine months to figure out how to get the DNC to run another candidate in place of Biden. If you don’t want to risk Trump again, you should consider that option.
The solution is the obvious third choice, run somebody else beside Biden. He is too unpalatable to reliably beat Trump, so don’t run him.
Fine. Which one of those obvious third choices did you canvas for in your state?
I’m not going to vote for Biden unless he reins in Israel and stops facilitating war crimes there and it’s still going to be hard knowing what he has done.
Bold of you to do that in the face of a Palestinian person telling you that you’re in the wrong for that position. I guess you know what’s best for them.
Also interesting that you didn’t say that to them, but said it to me.
So you’re insisting that your role in this is really nothing more than to tell me I’m wrong for not voting for Biden and that I’m to blame for whatever comes? I’m not the only person who feels this way and I’m informing you that this strategy of yours is unduly dangerous. Digging in and trying to shame a couple of people on the internet isn’t mitigating the risk here.
That some self-proclaimed internet Palestinian says that they’re ok with somebody sending a fascist state the weapons that are being used to murder innocent people doesn’t change my view on things. If I tell you that I’m Palestinian too, will that change your mind?
Dude, I’m browsing this on a phone and I’m pretty sure I responded to their post also. What are even you on about? Do you think this is some amazing rhetoric on your part?
I’m not going to vote for somebody who supports fascists and war crimes, even if you and other people do. Even if all Palestinians support him, which the Michigan uncommitted episode makes seem unlikely.
If you want my vote, you need to convince Biden to stop this situation in Gaza or convince him to step down from the primaries. I’m doing what I can on both fronts, but it will take a critical mass to force his hand.
No amount of insults or attempts at shaming me will make me support genocide, man. It’s just not going to happen. If you need to win at internet to get on with your day, then you can consider this a win. You win this argument, whatever that means.
You can now go ahead and bury your head in the sand and pretend that my viewpoint is stupid, isolated, and shouldn’t even be considered (like you probably did with Clinton in 2016). You can even blame me for ending up with Trump again if that makes you better about your clearly failed strategy at bringing people to your viewpoint.
what about the world do you think you improved by not voting for Clinton?
We’re not at war with Iran.
I attribute that entirely to historical coincidence rather than trump’s character or anything greater, but the Butcher of Libya wouldn’t have balked at the idea of 150 Iranian casualties mere hours before the first strike.
Ah, I see now. You explicitly support what Israel is doing. You like Biden /because/ he is supporting the murder of people that you see as human garbage, right? That clears things up.
There’s nothing paternalistic about not wanting to taint my psyche by supporting fascists who murder children. I don’t need approval from ex-pats from a country to have that stance. I can hold it simply because I’m a human.
Ah, I see now. You explicitly support what Israel is doing.
That is a silly lie when I called it genocide.
You like Biden /because/ he is supporting the murder of people that you see as human garbage, right? That clears things up.
Nope, also a silly lie. I don’t like Biden. I’m voting for him in the general because he is the most likely person to save my daughter’s life in the ongoing queer genocide you don’t care about.
Thank you so much, friend. I don’t think these “Genocide Joe” people understand what Trump has planned.
I wonder if they’re even aware that he’s already announced that he wouldn’t accept any Palestinian refugees?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-vows-expand-travel-ban-gaza-rcna120711
Or how about his plan to sacrifice the West Bank for a “Gaza Plus” without full statehood, where somehow Egypt gives up the Sainai Peninsula, all Palestinians, including Palestinians in the West Bank and Egypt, are forced to live there, and all right of return claims are nullified in perpetuity?
https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/12/11/trump-s-plan-for-israel-and-palestine-one-more-step-away-from-peace-pub-77905
And then there’s Project 2025, where Trump and Republicans plan to make the U.S. a Christian theocracy. How do they think Muslim Americans will be treated?
But none of that matters because they can call Biden “Genocide Joe” and say not to vote for him because of it.
That sounds absolutely bonkers and I don’t want any of that to come to pass. But I can’t sleep with myself at night knowing that I’m voting for someone who is going out of his way to send weapons to facilitate an active genocide.
Instead of framing this as my failing for bringing about Trump because I won’t vote for continued genocide, try to see it in terms of your (the rhetorical “your”) failing by insisting that my choice be fixed between enabling an atrocious genocide or bringing about the end of our civilization. The solution is the obvious third choice, run somebody else beside Biden. He is too unpalatable to reliably beat Trump, so don’t run him.
Insisting that we hold our nose and vote for an unelectable candidate failed with Clinton (how we got Trump the first time) and she was just unpopular. Going ahead with the same demonstrably failed strategy with someone who is a direct party to a genocide is even more foolish.
I’m not going to vote for Biden unless he reins in Israel and stops facilitating war crimes there and it’s still going to be hard knowing what he has done. I would vote for any other Democrat that runs in his place. Insulting me because I won’t vote for a candidate who is a party to war crimes won’t work. If you need my vote, you can’t ask me to do what I’m telling you I won’t do. There’s nine months to figure out how to get the DNC to run another candidate in place of Biden. If you don’t want to risk Trump again, you should consider that option.
Fine. Which one of those obvious third choices did you canvas for in your state?
Bold of you to do that in the face of a Palestinian person telling you that you’re in the wrong for that position. I guess you know what’s best for them.
Also interesting that you didn’t say that to them, but said it to me.
So you’re insisting that your role in this is really nothing more than to tell me I’m wrong for not voting for Biden and that I’m to blame for whatever comes? I’m not the only person who feels this way and I’m informing you that this strategy of yours is unduly dangerous. Digging in and trying to shame a couple of people on the internet isn’t mitigating the risk here.
That some self-proclaimed internet Palestinian says that they’re ok with somebody sending a fascist state the weapons that are being used to murder innocent people doesn’t change my view on things. If I tell you that I’m Palestinian too, will that change your mind?
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Dude, I’m browsing this on a phone and I’m pretty sure I responded to their post also. What are even you on about? Do you think this is some amazing rhetoric on your part?
I’m not going to vote for somebody who supports fascists and war crimes, even if you and other people do. Even if all Palestinians support him, which the Michigan uncommitted episode makes seem unlikely.
If you want my vote, you need to convince Biden to stop this situation in Gaza or convince him to step down from the primaries. I’m doing what I can on both fronts, but it will take a critical mass to force his hand.
No amount of insults or attempts at shaming me will make me support genocide, man. It’s just not going to happen. If you need to win at internet to get on with your day, then you can consider this a win. You win this argument, whatever that means.
You can now go ahead and bury your head in the sand and pretend that my viewpoint is stupid, isolated, and shouldn’t even be considered (like you probably did with Clinton in 2016). You can even blame me for ending up with Trump again if that makes you better about your clearly failed strategy at bringing people to your viewpoint.
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We’re not at war with Iran.
I attribute that entirely to historical coincidence rather than trump’s character or anything greater, but the Butcher of Libya wouldn’t have balked at the idea of 150 Iranian casualties mere hours before the first strike.
Ah, I see now. You explicitly support what Israel is doing. You like Biden /because/ he is supporting the murder of people that you see as human garbage, right? That clears things up.
There’s nothing paternalistic about not wanting to taint my psyche by supporting fascists who murder children. I don’t need approval from ex-pats from a country to have that stance. I can hold it simply because I’m a human.
That is a silly lie when I called it genocide.
Nope, also a silly lie. I don’t like Biden. I’m voting for him in the general because he is the most likely person to save my daughter’s life in the ongoing queer genocide you don’t care about.