Former top officials from Donald Trump’s administration are warning he is likely to use a second term to overhaul the nation’s spy agencies in a way that could lead to an unprecedented level of politicization of intelligence.

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    That’s just voting for Trump with extra steps.

    no, it’s not. only voting for trump is voting for trump.

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      That is demonstrably wrong under a “first past the post” system. You either vote for the candidate from the major party that is closest-aligned to your values, or your vote helps the candidate from the major party that is furthest aligned from you to win. It doesn’t matter how much you hate it or want it to be wrong, it’s a mathematical certainty. Like I already said, Americans don’t get to vote ideologically precisely because the system doesn’t allow it. If you think Donald Trump is the absolute worst candidate on the field, then any vote other than for (the presumed Democratic candidate) Biden is just helping Trump win.

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        I don’t want Biden or Trump to win. I have an ideological opposition to voting for people I don’t want to win.

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        You either vote for the candidate from the major party that is closest-aligned to your values, or your vote helps the candidate from the major party that is furthest aligned from you to win.

        this is election misinformation. a vote for Jill Stein cannot be counted as a vote for trump or Biden.

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          On paper it’s a vote for Jill, but in effect it’s a vote for the party you dislike more. Are you more of a practical person or more of a person concerned with technicalities?

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            Are you more of a practical person or more of a person concerned with technicalities?

            there is no reason one excludes the other. and, in practice, if they count my vote for Biden or Trump, they are cheating.

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              if they count my vote for Biden or Trump, they are cheating.

              And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the definition of a strawman fallacy. You’re arguing against a point nobody made.

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          This

          this is election misinformation.

          is wrong, because this

          a vote for Jill Stein cannot be counted as a vote for trump or Biden.

          isn’t what I said.

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            the only way a vote can help a candidate win is if it is a vote for that candidate