• dropdrip@lemmy.ml
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    Usually it’s user behaviour that needs to change, not picking the ‘special’ software. A libre base is all you need and there’s a few. The “most” secure browser won’t help you retain privacy from Facebook when you use it to chat to friends on… Facebook. These sorts of questions drift into nonsense and pointlessness. X, Y and the rest of the alphabet all could all be of use to you. What do you actually want to do? The most secure browser is offline and doesn’t load anything. Now what? How’s that going to help you? If you take this community’s name to actually mean anything than the correct answers exclude Google’s chromium. There. You have another answer: anything that’s not Google-chromium. Now what? Using ungoogled-chromium downstream when the upstream is controlled by Google is indefensible if the objective is to regain ‘control’ from Google by DeGoogling yourself.

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    It will be a bummer to see how many downvotes I will get for saying this, but it’s 100% true: chromium is the most secure browser engine followed by webkit.

    I don’t know what implementation transmits the least information, but in terms of number of known exploitable vulnerabilities there’s little question.

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      Librewolf is the best answer I can think of, but I just can’t resist:

      Have you seen the better browsing experience? It’s on Zen. It’s literally kb Librewolf. It’s on Floorp without ads. It’s literally on Waterfox. You can probably find it on Ironfox. Dude it’s on Ladybird. It’s a Servo original. It’s on GNOME Web. You can browse on GNOME Web. You can go to GNOME Web and browse it.

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      It’s a great start, but remember that no browser is 100% secure. Even LibreWolf can’t protect you if your OS is leaking data or if you’re not using a VPN/Tor.

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        I do not currently use a VPN but I am thinking of getting Proton VPN, I do however use different forks of Debian on most things. All of my IoT things do not have access out of my 10.6.66.0 vLAN (which has its own wifi) and most do not have access to the WAN. I use Home Assistant for most things on my 10.0.69.0 homelab vLAN (does not have wifi it is all wired) to reach into the IoT vLAN to do stuff which has limits to my personal vLAN 10.42.0.0 (Does have its own wifi). My guest vLAN 10.4.20.0 (Does have its own wifi but does not have eth) does not have acess to anything other than the WAN, just for shits and giggles I have a child friendly vLAN 10.6.7.0 (Does have its own wifi but does not have eth) that only has wifi and does not acess to anything other than the WAN during certain times. My personal wireguard vLAN 10.69.42.0, has the same acess as my personal vLAN, and my guest wireguard vLAN has the same acess as my guest vLAN but limits them to 2 hours before OpenWRT kicks them off.

        I do not use my ISPs firewall/router just the fiber modem into my OpenWRT firewall. The DNS I use is two piholes with unbound.

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          That’s an impressive network architecture. Your VLAN segmentation and the use of OpenWRT with Pi-hole/Unbound effectively mitigate most of the internal risks. In your case, the local security is definitely top-notch

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    Tor Browser for both security and privacy, but you won’t like it because it’s slow.

    Your question combines two separate features in the same way that the nearly useless question “which is the best and the cheapest” does. You could ask for the best quality/price -ratio. You can have great security with no privacy when you use a well-made big tech solution. You can have great privacy with low security when you choose a poorly made, easily hackable open-source solution.

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    Dillo.

    You can’t collect less data than none and you can’t be more secure than entirely passive interpreting (no js-support).

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      Strict, yes. Invincible, no. It’s the best of the Gecko bunch, but it’s still not a silver bullet for privacy.

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        Definitely not invincible, I think one would be stuck with chromium forks and manifest v3 if security and privacy are key. There is really no silver bullet :(

        Edit: Anyone down voting this doesn’t understand browser tech. Chromium is years ahead in security, and various forks take privacy seriously. And since Gecko has security concerns, Chromium is actually more relevant for those issues. I use Gecko shit for everything I can, but if you’re going to pretend there is a lack of privacy just for using Chromium, you’re admitting ignorance and probably only know about Chrome.

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          Fair point. There’s no silver bullet indeed, and different engines offer different trade-offs between privacy and security.

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    Vanadium on GrapheneOS and Trivalent on SecureBlue are the most security-focused. Firefox/Chromium/Safari-based browsers on desktop in general are decent for security. Avoid anything through Flatpak, and I believe Firefox-based browsers on Android are still behind as well. For Linux in general, Librewolf and Floorp don’t collect telemetry as far as I’m aware and have the most features. If you’re trying to be as anonymous as possible there’s other options as well.

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      Interesting point about Firefox on Android being behind. Do you think Vanadium is the only viable option there, or is there any other hardened browser for mobile that actually works?"

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        I’m not fully knowledgeable on the state of browser security on Android, but based on some quick searches it seems that any updated Chromium browser on Android would have stronger security since they support isolated process sandboxes. Titanium browser looks like a decent alternative. Ironfox has some of its own strengths, but security isn’t one of them.

    • ℭ𝔞𝔱 @lemmy.worldOP
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      I disagree that the browser matters less than the sites. A leaky browser can expose your hardware fingerprints and IP before the site even loads its own scripts. Brave might block ads, but it doesn’t stop the underlying telemetry. If you want real isolation, you need something more hardened than Brave.

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        Hiding properties of your physical hardware is a lot of work and comes with tradeoffs, and it’s worth asking what exactly you’re trying to accomplish. If it’s being anonymous, then you want Tor or Mullvad browser. If you just want to confuse websites then LibreWolf has fingerprinting protection enabled (and other Firefox browsers can toggle it on), Brave also has that but not as aggressive, but neither will work as well for fingerprint protection especially if you modify the settings or install extensions or even just resize the window.

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          I’m terrible at modifying my browser and making it more secure. My own Firefox, for example, isn’t very secure at all.

          I was just looking for a secure browser for personal safety. Now, anonymity would make sense to not me since I barely know much about technology.

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            I was just looking for a secure browser for personal safety.

            I can’t tell what exactly you’re trying to stay safe from. If it’s exploits and getting hacked, then Firefox is good basically as long as it’s on desktop and not installed through Flatpak. If it’s telemetry from the browser itself, then LibreWolf and Floorp are better choices. If it’s tracking from websites, then having an ad-blocker and light fingerprint protection has basically no downsides which you can get on any Firefox-based browser (although the Chromium forks are more user-friendly for that specifically) but beyond that requires more effort.

            I barely know much about technology.

            LibreWolf has somewhat aggressive defaults so it’s not the smoothest browsing experience but easy to work with if you know what to expect. Floorp is my go-to recommendation for people who just want a well-functioning web browser that doesn’t get in their way, but it doesn’t have ad-blocking or anti-fingerprinting enabled by default.

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              I think LibreWolf only works on Windows computers or Apple devices. What concerned me most was digital privacy, because I feel that Google is always watching us, like a spy. I still don’t know which browser to use—the Firefox browser. Some people say that Mozilla sells some of its users’ data and makes false promises about security.

              For now, I think I’ll use the Tor Browser until I find a browser that is more focused on privacy and has more advanced features.

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                I think LibreWolf only works on Windows computers or Apple devices.

                LibreWolf supports a lot of Linux distros

                For now, I think I’ll use the Tor Browser until I find a browser that is more focused on privacy and has more advanced features.

                Tor Browser is the most private browser in existence, but the UX is rough because it makes a lot of tradeoffs. But if you want you should try it and see what you think.

                I feel that Google is always watching us

                If your concern is Google in particular, then an ad-blocker to block Google scripts and avoiding Google sites will probably suffice.

                Some people say that Mozilla sells some of its users’ data and makes false promises about security.

                For exploit protection desktop Firefox is close to if not on par with Chromium nowadays. For data collection they do collect it in vanilla Firefox, which it looks like is used to serve ads and “personalize” their services. But the forks usually have all that disabled.