when you see people argue that trans women should be in men’s prisons, understand that this is what they argue in favor of.
And they think it’s part of it. They assume everyone who goes to prison deserves everything they get.
The cruelty is the point.
Jesus America is a third world country.
No. The US is very much a first world country. It’s literally the definition. It is the US.
And this is what a capitalist country does. This is what first world countries look like.
Nah. The Scandinavian countries are what I consider true first world.
Help us out: what do you think “First World,” “Second World,” and “Third World” actually mean? The terms referred to cold war political alignment: the U.S.-led bloc, the Soviet-led bloc, and countries aligned with neither. It was not a tidy ranking from rich and civilized to poor and backward.
Yes those were the original definitions but colloquial usage has shifted from the original meaning. Although these days the preferred terminology is developed/developing/under developed.
under developed is only preferred in academic circles, particularly economics. most other places refer to such places as “over-exploited”
Or “2/3rds world” (as in the majority of countries neither aligned with Soviet Communism nor US Capitalism and therefore not as exploited or industrialized/polluting)
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I agree with you and you are correct but this is linguistic prescriptivism, which is one of the things the what is a woman crowd cling to
but the other people using third wold country to mean allows sex abuse makes my skin crawl
Examine your preconceived ideas, before they examine you
I did not mean third world to mean that, but rather in the colloquial sense of how much a country takes care of its people.
Understood that so many on this platform strictly care about historical definitions and prescriptive language policing though
Being more concerned with the words used than the intended meaning is an internetism that harms us all. I’m guilty of this too…
It’s tricky though, because words have meaning- and that meaning really depends on context. Not just the context in which it’s spoken, but also the context is the one speaking it. And often people online who think they’re arguing are really just misunderstanding each other’s definitions.
You’re absolutely right. In this instance I mistakenly thought it was obvious for most that I did not mean im the strict literal definition. Oh well, no big deal
I mean it in the colloquial sense based on how well taken care of the people are. No I am not writing a dissertation. This is a discussion on a message board where people may use hyperbole to make their opinion clear
Q. What do you call a third world country that takes care of its people as well as Scandinavia?
A. Overdue for a CIA coup
First world is not a state of a country, it’s a label the US and Europe created after WWII for themselves.
No, they aren’t and that is the sad thing. They could be a great country. They choose this instead.
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has always been.
Jesus America is a
third world countrybackwards shithole filled with evil fucktards.FTFY
CW: nitpicking
Jesus
taking the lord’s name in vain or cultural appropriation
America
The USA, not the rest of America
backwards
reproduces the notion of the linear progression of civilization, a liberal colonialist fabrication
shithole
a shithole implies a shitter outside of it, but the US is not being shat upon from the outside
filled with
implies there are no others, which isn’t true
evil
binary thinking and possible essentialism
-tards
slur against the mentally disabled
is a fuck.
Correct, v-coding is rape.
Wow, I knew the USA structurally empowers people to engage in great cruelty, but I hadn’t imagined this in particular. It’s probably recency bias but this feels like a new low.
sodomy in US prisons is a JOKE to Americans.
ever hear one of them say: ‘dont drop the soap’ like its something to laugh about?
Propagated as a scare tactic to keep men subservient to law enforcement
Been to jail. Dropping soap is a real thing when theres also dudes who will try to get new people locked in their personal cell during shift change for an hour.
Its my fault for coming to lemmy hoping for some mindless escapism. I get gut punched each time I open my feed. My understanding of the world shows me a bleaker, more disgusting image every time. I appreciate you sharing this and opening my eyes, thanks.
For you it’s mindless scrolling. For us it’s daily life. Help us.
You either gotta use an app/front-end with filters, or accept having your mind expanded, be it for good or ill (or both, since one can lead to the other).
I prefer the second option 99/100, but I do have an app that’s heavily filtered for when I just can’t bear the ugliness of the world for a few hours.
Knowing the truth is important. So is staying strong enough to fight. Part of staying strong enough to fight is tending to your emotional well-being.
Please take breaks when you need. Friendship and sunsets and butterflies still exist. Use them as often as you can🫂
Go to imgur, 9gag, krazframe, 4chan, memify, etc
Lemmy is like reddit- an unhealthy mix of trolls and legit discussions
I used to frequent 9gag when it was mostly ragecomics, countryballs etc. (and also quite some time after that), but nowadays its just xenophobia, racism and incels.
Oh wow you’re right. I hadn’t been there for a while… jeeze…
Rape is practically universal in US prisons. The problem is vastly underreported, we’ll never know the true extent of it. It’s not just inmates (of all kinds), the guards revel in it.
… and we have more prisoners than any other country, there are millions of inmates.
Of course, we could make the guards wear cameras with every room being monitored, but I guess why bother? We’re not going to charge them anyway.
Our entire culture is one of raping. We rape the land, our neighboring countries, the oceans, the financial system, and each other in every way conceivable.
2017 study by the Sylvia Rivera Law Project found that 75% of trans women respondents in New York state prisons were subjected to sexual violence by a correctional officer
Holy fuck
Yep, it’s pure evil. Every guard involved is morally culpable for the rapes they cause
Internet outrage is utter dogshit trash
Every conservative you have ever met supports this. Every single one.
Also keep in mind: trans women are toys in prison. They want to keep them in longer, they give them sex offender charges for resisting (the trans sexual predator claim comes from this partly, other than that is that many trans women turn to prostitution to survive, which is a sex offence)
On top of that, BOP policy is to cut off hormones and do conversion torture. So they toss you in a cell to be raped like a woman, while trying to torture you into not being one.
Cutting of hormones is worse than simply forcing a detransition. Suddenly stopping produces effects similar to menopause until her natural testosterone return to typical male levels. Depending on what other procedures she has had done, a transwomen without artificial hormones may never return to healthy hormone levels for either gender.
FUCK. THE. USA!
wait until folks comprehend who has the highest incarcerated population on this planet.
I always like to point out that it’s just the highest reported incarcerated population on the planet. There’s countries way bigger than America that don’t have as much freedom of information, like we’re reading right now.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Genuinely fucking disgusting.
CW: exactly what you would expect.
V-coding
Causing rape of trans prisoners for social control
Not to be confused with Vibe coding.
In the context of incarceration in the United States, V-coding is the common practice by carceral staff of subjecting trans women to sexual assault by placing the woman in the same prison cell as an aggressive male inmate in order to placate the male inmate.[1][2][3] This practice has been known to have caused the daily rapes of multiple trans women, and the sexual assaults of 58.5% of them.[4][5][6] V-coding is done to pacify the male inmate, with the goal of reducing their propensity for violence against other inmates, according to prison authorities and one inmate.[1][2] The term has also been used to refer to the broader systemic sexual abuse of trans women in male prisons.
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“Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism And Restoring Biological Truth To The Federal Government”. whitehouse.gov. January 20, 2025. 3. [13]
Harmon, Amy (January 27, 2025). “Inmate Sues the Trump Administration Over Transgender Executive Order”. The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on January 30, 2025. Retrieved January 30, 2025. 4. [14]
Raymond, Nate; Scarcella, Mike (January 27, 2025). “Transgender inmate sues over Trump’s order curtailing LGBT rights”. Reuters. Retrieved September 24, 2025. 5. [15]
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Raymond, Nate (January 30, 2025). “US judge blocks Trump administration from transferring transgender inmate”. Reuters. Retrieved September 24, 2025. 7. [17]
Levin, Sam; Johnson, Kaley (March 7, 2025). “Trans women transferred to men’s prisons despite rulings against Trump’s order”. The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved September 27, 2025. 8. [18]
“Transgender women moved to men’s prisons amid judicial block”. The Advocate (magazine). Retrieved September 27, 2025. 9. [19]
Fiorillo, Victor (June 6, 2025). “Philly Trans Woman Raising Money on GoFundMe So She Can Escape to Canada”. Philadelphia Magazine. Retrieved September 27, 2025. 10. [20]
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Not to be confused with Vibe coding.
This article is a bit tough to understand. What is the expected logic of such practices? I know its a horrific phenomenon all-around, but what was even the initial idea of how this could possibly be a net good for any entity involved?
The “net good” here is that it’s torture for us. It’s good sport for those in power in prison. There’s also the fact that those in power can earn a little side hustle from relatively zero risk: you don’t need to smuggle anything into the prison to sell, you just sell one prisoner to the next. That is the society we live in.
Things are pretty fucked up right now for us literally everywhere. We’re fucking dying here. Educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-coding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_the_United_States#V-coding
They take aggressive men and let them vent some steam off by raping a woman. This reduces their aggression towards other inmates and makes them more controllable.
Since trans women are basically treated there as subhumans, no one cares of them in this equation.
Also reduces aggressiveness towards guards
