• Akasazh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    2 months ago

    I mean it wasn’t communism, that much is true, what they want isn’t either

    • IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      2 months ago

      I am way too cynical to ever believe that you can get everyone on the planet even remotely close enough to the same page to make states a thing of the past.

      • Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        I am way too cynical to ever believe that you can get everyone on the planet any even remotely close to the same page to make the divine right of kings a thing of the past.

        - One of your ancestors, 500 years ago.

        • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          You put words in to my mouth. Hence, why I think people don’t think outside the box. The human brain still operate from millenia old evolutionary instinct to think in heuristic and what they have been accustomed to.

          • Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish
            1·
            2 months ago

            I’m confused. Did you reply to the correct comment? Because the only person into whose mouth I put words is one of IrateAnteater’s 500 year old ancestors, and I don’t think you are one of them.

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        Athenians and Spartans would not have thought 2,500 years later that they’d form a country together. I think it will take time-- a really long time for people to get together.

        • IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          Think of that time frame, and realize that you are talking about two city-states that share a single language, culture, etc. Getting the rest of the planet onto the same page won’t happen. Maybe once we’ve colonized other planets. And even then, my money is on people sticking to the old squabbles.

          • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            Language, yes. Culture? That’s debatable. Athenians and Spartans went to war with each other numerous times to vie for hegemony. It took a long time for each other to identify one another as Greeks, both culturally and politically.

            In my opinion, as long as technology improves towards faster communication and the lines of communication remains constant, it would allow for more cultural exchange, which then eventually leads to a world wide, grass roots cultural convergence. The best case example is the Roman Empire. Controlling most of Europe allowed for cultural exchange amongst different parts of the empire and they shared a common culture (and language depending on the areas). It was the result of the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and being cut off from the surviving Eastern part, that many regions of Europe had to adopt feudalism to fend for themselves. This led to many of these regions to form their own distinct culture, politics and language; which then eventually led to the European nation states we know today. But even so, a common European identity is starting to emerge not seen since the Roman empire. It’s because of cultural exchange and improved communications allowed for gradual cultural convergence which, again, not witnessed since the Roman Empire.

            If Europe is to be the model with more improved technology and communication overtime, I think a pan-national identity could be replicated worldwide. But, this will take a really long time. And I think major man-made catastrophes could happen first before cosmopolitanism becomes the prevailing norm.