• HubertManne@piefed.social
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    4 days ago

    yeah I think you are putting him on a pedestal. I don’t believe he is divine and on human terms hes a guy where I would go to one of his talks.

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      He put himself on the pedestal. Would you enjoy hearing how you will not inherit the divine gifts he is promising to his people?

      I would like more people to stop pretending he wasn’t dangerously delusional. Modern humans can and should do better than following one guy whose main appeal is that he lived too long ago for us to actually know what he was like. He’s an imaginary friend, but with a context of guilt, punishment, and blood sacrifice.

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        yeah I doubt your interpretation of the gospels. He was not that bad and the pedestal was other folks. That is the thing with religion. You can take something and say well this was meant this way or this was meant that way. People have their own takeaways.

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          I think you’re ignoring parts of the gospels you don’t like. John 10:

          I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.

          You can hear him climbing onto the pedestal as he talks about how he is greater than all.

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              If we are peacemakers? Or if we accept Jesus as our savior? Cherry-picking is necessary because the bible is inconsistent. Also worth noting that Jesus said he came to bring not peace, but a sword.

              Also, what’s he saving us from? What he’ll do to us if we don’t obey? It’s all bad.

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                yeah. exactly. it is cherry picking. again though. if this figure existed. I don’t see him as that bad. For a human. For the time. Further I would say pretty decent. Some real nice things.

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          That is it’s fatal flaw, yes. People choose cowardly fantasy instead of courageously facing a reality, even though a reality without that abusive god is better. It means we are not the main characters, not under divine protection or supervision. We have the capacity to fix our own problems instead of wishing for the magic wizard to fix them.

          Jesus may have had a few nice quotes, but he distracted people from their own real lives with baseless promises about divine rewards. Christianity is a death cult, yet too many people are still defending it. We need to unite around the one truth that defines us instead of splintering into endless interpretations of delusional fantasy.

          Everyone is not entitled to believe what they want. Everyone is obliged to align their beliefs as closely with reality as possible.

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            I mean this is a real tough convo for me giving I don’t believe in the supernatural and don’t see anything to indicate jesus was real. If he was though he seemed pretty good for the time. Not really sure if atheism existed back then but the world cultures usually had dominant religions. My guess is there are always going to be some folks who openly or not think the idea of gods is dumb. christianity is a lot of things depending on the version. Some are not all that bad and some are heinous. Pretty much the same with all the religions.