It means hope.
Not sure why Iranians would want Trump dead. He’s doing more to kill their enemy (the US) than they ever could. I think this is just taunting to keep Trump doing what he is doing.
Might have something to do with bombing an elementary school and killing over 100 children.
Or maybe something to do with assassinating their leader.
I’ve always wondered how much the Iranian brass actually liked the guy. He never struck me as a particularly nice guy, but maybe it’d be different if I was part of the cult.
Be our guest, you’re welcome to try. The last few whiffed it, so just be sure of your aim.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/955/tlak.jpg
WWJD -> WWKT
Wish someone would just do this already instead of constantly talking about it.
I wonder how that timeline where the shooter didn’t miss is doing.
Harambe-verse
Which one
It’s a timeline we needed, but did not deserve.
Sure, then the next time a democrats in we can kill them! Then the next republican! Then the next democrat! And maybe put a bullet in Obama just because! Right? That’s how freedom and democracy works
Crap like this and calling everyone a Nazis why you lost the election. The left has become focused on bigotry and hatred and violence. The way you get rid of trump isn’t by shooting him it’s by becoming normal healthy mentally sound people again and proposing reasonable and intelligent alternatives. Begging for someone to kill the leader of the country who was duly elected is not a sensible or sane alternative
Shut THE ACTUAL FUCK UP with your false equivalency BS. You deal with real, demonstrable fascists with bullets, Gramps proved that in WW2.
The French Used Guilutines
Hanging is also a popular option.
The left is interested in democracy but the people in power are not. We got this democracy through armed revolution, once, Maintained it thought a violent civil war (which the fascists lost AGAIN, if you are keeping score) so quit shutting down the idea. We try to avoid it, of course, but its ALWAYS ON THE TABLE.
NeoCon and red pickles. I like it.
OH dear, triggered leftie is triggered!
Sorry but he’s not a demonstrable fascist. You just don’t like it. But you don’t deal with any elected official with bullets. You just don’t.
I understand that your level you probably haven’t been exposed to much history but french aristocrats were not elected. Germany was not a democracy by the time the war broke out
But America is a democracy and the reason for a democracy is so that you don’t kill people to change governments
Based on your theory I should be allowed to kill anybody I disagree with right. Do you really think that’s a good idea?
This isn’t war. It’s PEST CONTROL. It’s not about disagreements. It’s about SELF DEFENSE at this point.
Also you’re clearly crazy as a psycopath but I do appreciate the doctor who reference😉
Sure. Whatever you feel justifies your anger hatred bigotry and violence. It’s kind of the lefts thing now
Fuck off. You’re the problem.
I assume you’re talking to a mirror. Give him hell big guy!😂
Dude tries to steal an election, gets caught dead to rights with an audio leak, leads an attempted coup on the day he’s supposed to transfer power, gets reelected and proceeds to kidnap and assassinate foreign leaders, while taking each and every opportunity to express how much he wants to stay for a third and illegal term, and you think the biggest problem is the people who don’t like him.
Keep it up. Your country will smoulder, but i’m sure you’ll find some new nonsensical bullshit to make you feel smug enough to vote for it.
I’m Canadian bud, I’m just watching the freak show. I don’t even particularly like trump
But once again what you said is radically untrue but you put it forward as the truth and that’s what costs the democrats and the left elections. Trump absolutely try to use a legal loophole to take an election away from legitimate winner because he was convinced that there was some species of fraud that he couldn’t prove. That is absolutely a thing that happened but trying to say he stole it is a little bit different.
And he did not lead an attempted coup that’s just absolutely nonsense.
And as far as kidnapping and killing foreign leaders ago, I will point out that virtually every president in history has done that 😆😆😆 Remember when Obama was doing the victory lapse and the radio circuits and high-fiving everyone because he killed Bin Laden in a country that he had no permission to be in? But you’re fine with it then but now we’re all supposed to be hugely morally upset because someone you don’t like has done the same thing. It’s not even the first time the US has killed an Iranian leader but no issue before, now it’s the worst thing anybody could possibly do.
If hypocrisy could be used to produce power you sir could end global warming.
Trump won’t be staying in for a third term. Everybody knows it he just likes trolling you. But you use it as an excuse to justify your own bad behavior.
Its always funny when the right pretends to care about bigotry hatred and violence.
It’s always funny when the left pretends that they’re not the biggest source of bigotry hatred and violence
“I’m rubber and you’re glue” is really the argument your are gonna stick with? Good luck with that.
You always want to write for the intellect of your audience.
Wow. Intellectual giant right here, folks.
Well nobody’s going to say the same thing about you that’s for sure
OH NO I’VE BEEN DESTROYED
Based on your personality and intellect, it CAN’T have been the first time. Or even the first time today
ICE literally killing people in the streets.
Meanwhile, you’re upset the commander in chief of a military engaged in offensive operations against multiple nations has a target on his head?
With what Trump has done and whom he has enabled - the man deserves death.
Preferably the same way the Persians dealt with the last guy who had a “thirst” for gold.
Oh and I’m actually upset that somebody suggested that it was okay to kill the president and somebody should hurry up and do it. Yeah I hate to break it to you but that’s a bad thing. Killing the elected leader of a democracy is a Bad Thing. If you actually need that explain to you that I don’t know what to tell you but you’ve got no moral stance to talk about anyone else being killed
Kind of like how Trump assassinated Khamenei? Or how he assassinated Solemeini?
Big shocker that they want him dead.
Or like how obama killed Bin Laden. Or slaughtered dozens and dozens of political leaders in that part of the world
You want to pretend that it’s okay when your guy does it but then it’s not when someone you don’t like doesn’t. That hypocrisy doesn’t fly
Uhh, what is your actual argument? You seem confused as to where you are.
Why do you think I’d give a shit about Obama and Bin Laden? We were talking specifically about Iran. And you seemed surprised that they’d want our President dead. I was pointing out several reasons why.
Keep up.
Wow look at you panic when your hypocrisy is pointed out 😁😂😂
Here’s how it works kid. If every president does it and you only complain when a president you don’t like does it then you have no right to complain
nobody likes that jackass anymore. He’s only being protected because of protocol at this point.
Quite a few people seem to like him, or at least more than the democrats which is a frighting commentary on THEIR situation. I know he’s being protected because sane and normal people understand it’s not okay to kill politicians just because you don’t like them and a democracy
Ice is literally killing people in self-defense when they perceive a threat. Today I haven’t seen anything that suggests something else is happening and neither have there been any charges. And a cool good killing is pretty much cut and dry, she hit the guy with the car after being ordered to stop. The next guy that got killed is a little bit more tragic because there’s no indication he was actually trying to kill a cop but he’s resisting arrest he’s fighting them and he drops a gun. A cop sees it thinks he’s in danger and shoots. The guy played silly games and had a bad consequence that’s not murder
This one’s a little harder to say because we’ve got nothing but one side of the story to listen to. But it does seem to be evidence that this guy did not follow the lawful instructions of police and wasn’t a new very good vehicle. And that will get you killed and that’s just the way it is. Police have a right to defend himself
Which is why I claimed that what we should be doing is drilling home the message to people not to drive their vehicles at police or do anything other than follow the lawful instructions of the police officers and then let their lawyers handle it. If the protesters really want to do something positive they should be out there videotaping everything but also raising illegal defense fund said the moment somebody gets pinched their rights get protected by illegal team. And everybody should be told don’t do anything that’s going to result in a police officer fearing for his life legitimately or illegitimately. Playing with fire and the chances of something going wrong aren’t huge
I would bet money you haven’t watched the actual videos of the encounters from multiple angles.
Moreover, you’re not even considering folks that have died in their custody because they’re being treated so inhumanely in the USA’s concentration camp.
You’re on the wrong side of history here and you’ll realize it sooner or later.
Then you would lose money. Anything person watching the videos would real ize it was not in the way of the vehicle then the vehicle backed up and move forward directly at the officer who was struck. Sorry but at that point you’re getting shot and you have no right to complain. Don’t drive cars and police officers
Kill yourself.
Oh dear, did you drop your binky again? Hang in there little guy
Oh no, you’ve bested me in a battle of wits.
I’m sure you felt it was a battle
Tell me about all the fascist dictators who have stepped down, because their opposition took the high road and preached love.
Tell me all about the democracies that were made better because the public decided assassinating the head of state is a perfectly acceptable option. In fact that’s how the vast majority of fascist dictators managed to get power.
It is not okay to kill people, certainly not in a democracy where you can vote them in or out. I’m a little disappointed I’d even have to say that out loud
Italy was better off without the democratically elected Mussolini.
It wasn’t a democracy by the time he started causing trouble. If America stops being a democracy then you can talk about murder. But right now it’s still a democracy or at least democracy democratic representation
But like I said the left is all about violence hatred bigotry and the like right now. I know in your mind there’s no answer other than I should be allowed to kill orange man because Me no likee.
That’s assuming USA has democracy.
Will the USA does have a representational democracy. I mean no country has a true democracy and you wouldn’t want a true democracy. True democracy is the tyranny of the majority. A true democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.
But the very idea of a representational democracy is that you can remove the leader and replace them without the need for violence. I guess some people just really like the idea of killing people they don’t like
You should understand the psychology behind this, which comes down to this paradox:
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
The only good solution to stop intolerance is to be intolerant against those who preach intolerance, like Trump and other regimes.
No that would be stupid. Perpetuating hatred and dividing people is not an effective way of bringing people together and I can’t believe you needed that explain to you
The best solution is sunlight. You openly talk about things and try and understand the other side’s point of view you try and get them to understand your point of view and then you see if there’s grounds for common understanding anywhere. But only a fool thinks that you can create peace and love by spreading hatred and violence
Are you fucking stupid? Their point of view is that people like me shouldn’t exist. I refuse to find common ground with fascists. They can all rot in the holes they’re digging.
I don’t know very many on the right to think that people like you shouldn’t exist. Of course I’m assuming by that you mean that you’re transgender. The vast majority that I’ve spoken to believe you should exist but they have problems with where your rights and their rights have conflict.
And they’re absolutely is tons of room for discussion there. But again you’re bringing nothing but hatred anger and bigotry to the table so your excuses some ridiculous nonsense about how they all hate you and want you to stop existing therefore that excuses you from having to do the right thing
Yeesh.
Trump is literally a fascist dictator lmao. You’re fighting the wrong fight.
No he literally is not. If you’re going to throw the word literally around you should probably mean it because it makes you look silly if you don’t. Trump is not a dictator. I receive fascist. I understand those are two words that Many on the left like to use because they sound really bad but it’s not accurate.
You can say he’s extremely authoritarian and he has tried to vest more of the power of the government into the office of the president. However you could say pretty much the same thing about Biden and definitely about obama and you can keep going from there. Presidents have been adding more power to the office for quite some time. And many have been extremely dictatorial.
But he’s not a dictator and he’s not a fascist. He ran on what he is doing and was elected based on that. If you want to blame someone for that blame come all harris we’re running a campaign which was basically half giggling and half calling everyone that disagreed with her Nazi. So in fairness she was given like 5 minutes to prepare her campaign.
There is enough wrong with trump that you don’t need to go over the top like that. Doing that is what turns people off and it’s why the democrats absolutely lost the election, or at least a major part of that
Whataboutbiden
Whataboutobama
Whataboutharris
What about them?
It would appear that you’re trying to suggest that talking about president is the same as whataboutism. It is not. It’s important to learn what words mean before using
He probably shouldn’t use words if you don’t know what they mean. What about is him refers to excusing bad behavior because somebody else did some other Behavior which is perceived as bad.
When you’re talking about the same behavior what you’re talking about is precedent. And that is an entirely valid thing to talk about. President A did this, President B did this; now that President C is doing it, you really can’t complain unless you also had a problem with President A and B doing it.
Whataboutism is something entirely different. Being wrong three times repetitively doesn’t make it any better. Go back and try again
No, no, you misunderstand. There are systems in place (that are being severely tested) that prevent him from being the absolute dictator that he tries to be. Perhaps “he’s a wannabe dictator” might be more accurate. It’s not over the top and I don’t really care if you disagree.
Regarding Obama and Biden, yes, the US has a serious issue where recent presidents are ruling via executive order, this is not exclusive to Trump. This is also whataboutism and distracts from the point.
If someone is so blind that they can see reality for what it is, they’re already lost. Peace.
I don’t misunderstand anything. I can see clearly that you’re trying to change the goal posts because you realize what you said was inaccurate. You claimed he was a dictator. I pointed out that he’s not. I agree that the system in place is what prevents that. But that’s not something we’ve discussed. Now you claim that I misunderstand this which is absolutely childish, I understand just fine.
I know it’s got nothing to do with what about isn’t. What about isn’t is where you trying to excuse bad behavior because somebody else did something different somewhere else that is also bad. What I’m talking about is this is the latest step in a long line of the same behavior. And if you didn’t speak up against it at the time you really can’t say anything now. If all trump is doing is what the president’s before him did and I’m not just saying democrats by the way then you can’t at this point argue that it’s some deep moral problem when you didn’t pipe up when other people were doing it
That’s not what about it, that’s precedent. You’ve allowed the president to be set and now you have to accept that. You can’t just complain when somebody who you don’t like does something you have to be consistent about complaining the whole way through and you weren’t and the democrats weren’t either. So here we are
When people from both sides stand up and complain about it regardless of losing power maybe something can change, but either way you can’t claim it’s a moral issue
The left has become focused on bigotry and hatred and violence
You understand that being democratic and being an assassin are mutually exclusive, right? Being democratic means you put all your chips in democracy, and trust the vote. Being an assassin is the opposite of that. Thus, assassins must come from the right. Make sense?
No that makes zero sense whatsoever. First off historically the left is always been the least interested in democracy. Do you see Stalin being terribly democratic? Or the Chinese? A lot of democracy going on in Venezuela?
Secondly if you referring to the name that’s just silly. Democrats can easily be democrats in name only the same way that the democratic Republic of North Korea is not a real democracy either
But what cannot be argued is that this very thread people were cheering for the deaths of Charlie Kirk, they were hoping and praying that there would be the death of an elected leader of this democracy. And that’s where we’re at and you can’t argue differently. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me
Exactly, wishing death is not democratic, thus those wishes MUST be coming from the right. Make sense yet?
I guess there are brainwashed MAGAts on Lemmy too :'(
Stupid around every corner.
I guess personal attacks are your way of coping with the fact you can’t refute what was said and you’re angry I was correct. Well if that makes you feel better or lets you sleep at night I guess you got to do what you got to do
I mean, you responded to the guy above you accusing them of doing all this stuff, but none of the things you accused them of doing was in the comment. There really wasn’t enough substance of your comment to able to respond in an academic way.
I’m happy to play your game though. Feel free to make a specific claim about why Trump is good with facts to back it up. Would you like to argue about how the Iran war has lowered or will lower gas prices?
All you’re doing is digging yourself deeper and making my argument for me. I have never said trump was good. It’s your hatred in bigotry that makes that assumption because I didn’t talk exactly the way that you want to hear people talk. If I don’t say exactly what you want to hear then I must be the enemy and I must think trump is good and I must kill babieswhatever the hell else is in your head. Oh and now I’m suddenly a proponent of the Iran War somehow ;)
If you were an honest person you would have asked me what I thought about trump or the Iran War and then commented on it. But in your mind every single person who doesn’t think like you must support and believe all of these other things there’s no in between.
This is precisely what I’m talking about.
Nobody wants you here.
You might think you want the negative attention, but I hope you fucking choke on it.
WOW, that answer isn’t full of hatred anger and bigotry at all 😆😆 how very fascist of you
Congratulations!
Your response is the most absurd thing I’ve read today!
No rebuttal no intelligent reply just cheesy insults. Well there you go. I guess it’s hard to argue with the truth
It appears I spoke too soon.
Why, did you just reread your post?
Your account is barely a week old and you’ve managed to piss off a lot of people. It’s amazing that the left always gets blamed for the lack of progress when the right is constantly finding new ways to dismember progress as crudely and primitively as possible. If you don’t want the left to focus on bigotry, hatred, and violence, then you need to stop contributing to those issues and be an actual decent human being maybe we wouldn’t focus on it so much then 😉
The fact is it would appear around here that unless you tow the line and save the stuff the left likes to hear people will attack you pretty mercilessly. I didn’t really come here to be liked. I came here thinking that there would be opportunity for intelligent conversation. And it’s Canadian was appealed to me.
But what I’m finding is a lot of hatred bigotry and if you don’t say the left thing and you’ll be attacked
The right is not contributing to those issues, the right is reacting to the bigotry and hatred etc. Kamala harris is entire campaign was that everyone Who didn’t agree with her was a Nazi and of course giggling. Hillary tried the same thing. Even here if I say something that doesn’t jive with the accepted truths instead of people addressing the points or making a counter argument what you see is nothing but personal attacks and people like you show up to say I should be towing the line.
That’s not a problem with the right. That’s a problem with you and the rest of the people here who are on the left. I’m not launching into personal attacks when I reply to people yet you look at the number of personal attacks I’ve gotten just for stating facts which are true but aren’t to their liking
The phrase is “toe the line,” pseudo-intellectual right wing dumbass.
I guess that depends on your definition of facts. If you objectively observed human behavioral trends, where do you think you would see higher instances of racism, classism, bigotry, self-righteousness, sexism, and prejudice would lie? Or if we were to dig historically into the roots of those behaviors, or how pervasive to society they’ve been. I don’t think it’s down to intelligence, people can be very knowledgeable and capable of the most terrible things. People can understand very little about the world and still choose to say that their neighbor is a neighbor. Unfortunately, there are negative echo chambers that exist that perpetuate fear of the ‘other’ or the ‘unnatural’ or just…’it didn’t happen to me so I don’t believe it happened to you’ or ‘the way I fixed the issue was special because it was me but nobody else should be allowed to have it’.
What is intelligent conversation to you by the way? Is it a discussion of true, verifiable facts (via peer reviewed research, holistic historical accounts, etc.) or one of initially civil opinion until someone throws a tantrum because they can’t convert the other?
My definition of facts tends to be an objective, verifiable reality or truth that can be proven to exist or have occurred. But the problem is you run into isn’t the definition of facts. It’s that people interpret facts and then it becomes subjective not objective.
For example many on the left claim it’s impossible to be racist towards a white person. So once you allow that creative definition then the question of where is racism coming from becomes a subjective thing.
There’s little doubt in my mind that of the last several years the vast majority of hatred and bigotry sexism and other negative things of a similar nature come from the left. In this very thread we have people on the left actively hoping that a duly elected president gets killed. You don’t see that anywhere nearly the same from the right. A simple example.
Right wing websites or channels tend to allow any discussion and left when people are free to express their views. I just got banned from a channel on this forum for daring to suggest that the renegood shooting could legitimately be argued to be self-defense for the police officer. Way too controversial had to kick me off that channel. Didn’t say it rude or anything. I’m not calling you names here or saying you’re a bad person because I don’t share the same views as you although I think some of you views are Highly Questionable. And I address your points directly with reason. But take a look at the response to me in this thread
There ought to be a warning note at the door saying left wing views only or the like 😁
And to me, intelligent conversation centers around the idea of addressing the issues and points raised by the other person in a reasoned and logical way while respecting them even if they differ in one opinion, rather than focusing on attacking the person or using cheap debate techniques such as sea lioning.
I mean we’re having a reasonably intelligent conversation right now aren’t we? You’re not calling me a capitalist running dog ignorant Pig Nazi fascist who wants to see all puppies and little children dead, and I’m not calling you a democrat 😆 (BAWAAAHAHA sorry couldn’t help it)
people can disagree, even passionately, and still respect the other person’s opinion. And still respect the person. I don’t have to hate someone just because they think renee good was murdered and if you hate me because i think she wasn’t then there’s something wrong with you. (this is just an example btw, wasn’t stating how you feel about it).
But I think some things should be universally accepted and if they’re not then there’s really not a lot of basis for discussion. Murder is bad, but the left is really pushing the idea that it isn’t these days. Killing a democratically elected president is bad yet here we are looking at people begging for it to happen and this is hardly unusual
If we can’t even agree that murder is bad it makes it very hard to have an intelligent conversation doesn’t it
Literally incoherent. Have you ever read anything that wasn’t a social media post?
Entirely coherent and you should have a word with your English teacher if you think otherwise. But I guess if you can’t refute something then attacking the author and ad hominem attacks are really all you’ve got
youve spent too long in the maga echo chamber. youre repeating absolutely nonsense talking points.
If that were true you’d have no trouble refusing it. But you can’t so personal attacks and that homonyms are your only choice.
Your ideas don’t matter. You don’t matter.
aww muffin. Have a cookie and a nap; you’ll be fine
Guys, he’s got us here. There’s just no way to respond to this come back. We’re cooked.
I’ve already registered republican.
That seems like you’re not being honest. In which case you’re probably better off staying democrat 😂😂
Neither freedom nor democracy got America to where it is. A joke of a system.
On the contrary democracy is exactly what got america to where it is. And it was the attempts at repression of freedom that helped it all.
Kamala harris made trump look good. If you wanted to be angry about anything it should be that the democrats put such a crap candidate forward after lying about Biden being mentally on sound for at least 3 years, and then be mad at the republican for putting trump forward instead of a better candidate
The problem with democracy is it requires the people to do the right things for it to work and right now a lot of the people aren’t doing the right things they’re doing terrible things. They’re out there insisting that anyone that disagrees with them or is politically to the right of stalin is a Nazi Fascist dictator evil terrible person who kills babies and secretly wants your grandparents dead.
So the correct solution is to get the electorate talking. And I mean really talking not just attacking each other and deciding that if I don’t agree with your stance on one thing that means that you can now infer every other single thing I believe in life. There is common ground there can be common understandings and there can be accommodation then you can take the stuff that you can work on and work on it and take the other stuff where there’s absolutely no common ground and say let’s set that aside while we work on the stuff we can agree on
Welcome to the blocklist 🙂
Sticking your head in the sand because you can’t refute something that you didn’t want to hear is definitely not uncommon these days. Have at it
Lol, lmao even
Kill him by fist fucking?
My condolences to the poor sod that has to do it.
I’m no analyst but my best guess is that they are offering hope to a suffering world.
Is that the sign what caused djt’s midnight rant last night about having 1000 missiles locked and loaded to end Iranian civilization if they killed him?
Where’s that from, NYU?
What are they waiting for?
Do it do it do it do it do it
At this point a hard fart would do it.
Yeah but that might blow Bibi’s hand out from there
Lmao. I just scrolled past “Israel shares intelligence with US of Iranian plot to assassinate Trump” and now see this.
I hope this photo was the whole ‘intelligence’…
iran be like:
I question their font choice
They’ve done a pretty good job with aesthetics in the propaganda realm. This was a letdown.
