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Fans of Taylor Swift have been shocked after it emerged that a contractor for the controversial Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) was in attendance at her wedding.
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It appears that Steven J. Demetriou, the Executive Chair of a company called Amentum Services was also among the crowd gathered to see the happy couple say ‘I do.’
Amentum Services is currently the sole contractor for ICE’s Camp East Montana, a detention centre in El Paso.
The artist has faced swift backlash for her choice of guests, including online commenters who have shared their dismay on social media.
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No War But The Class War.
If I were a billionaire I’d keep giving my money away to bring it down to 900 million or so. Then I could hide better. Also, I’ve always wanted to buy one of those super yachts and a politician. /s
You’re in luck! There is a huge sale on buying politicians under the current administration
If they weren’t blindly devoted to the brand imagine, they would have noticed she’s just another rich piece of shit
I dated a swiftie a few years back.
One of the most clueless individuals I’ve ever met. Stanned both Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj then turned around and called herself a leftist.
Fans are fucking dumb.
Ah you’ll shake it off.
(I’ll go ahead and show myself out the door now)
Idolizing other humans is idiotic in general. You can enjoy someone’s artistic output, but always be ready to say fuck them and their art if they turn out to be trash. They owe me nothing and I owe them nothing.
Weir Al’s fans would like a word.
I’m old.
What does Stanned mean?
How old? Because, it’s an Eminem reference. Not saying you can’t be older than that reference but, it’s been around awhile.
I’ve heard the song but never seen the name used as a verb until recently.
Been used for years and years my man. First time I recall it was all the lebronstans following the Lakers. Then I saw it like everywhere
Absolutely valid. I’m a little slow and only put the two concepts together like a year ago haha. I knew what the term meant, I had heard the song, it took me many years to put it together. Oops lol
A stan is a hardcore fan. Stanned is the verb of that expression
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backed or vouched for, from a parasocial standpoint.
mega fan, from the Eminem f/t Dido song Stan about an obsessive fan.
Ooooooh.
To the swifty: there’s nothing wrong with liking an artist, and there’s also nothing wrong with liking an artist’s music. You can also like the idea of someone, whether or not that idea is accurate. It’s hotly debated, but I believe these things can also exist independently of each other, and it’s important to recognize they are different.
It is important to recognize that the public figure of Taylor Swift is a business enterprise that is different from the person, the idea, and the music. It is important to recognize that the same enterprise, much like other celebrity enterprises, maintain teams of full-time staff for topics like PR, upon which the entire enterprise is dependent.
They do things that seem good the economically optimal amount to maximize the ROI on those things. If Taylor Swift the person gave a shit about the stuff the enterprise claims she does, she wouldn’t have $1,000,000,000
I saw an article about how fans were excited that they were giving out leftover food from MSG… Here I’ll just find the quote:
With more than 1,000 guests in attendance, there was naturally plenty of food. A Krispy Kreme truck carrying doughnuts was seen leaving the venue, along with boxes from Sweet Baby Ray’s, the barbecue sauce brand, and Butterball (known for its turkey products).
She’s a fucking billionaire, and her wedding food is all (likely free) product endorsement, brand name bullshit.
Zero class. Zero taste.
It’s free stuff, fuck it.
She’s a billionaire, cost is entirely irrelevant. They could have had quite literally anything, and they chose Krispy Kreme and Butterball Turkey
I dont know, I got world class food at my wedding and had snacks of goujons, sandwiches, chips walked throughout at midnight. Dimmer was probably unreal
OK, but…
One moment at the ceremony has sparked outrage after Girls star Lena Dunham reportedly left fellow attendees shocked.
According to Daily Mail, her speech described football as ‘just straight guys reenacting gay porn.’
I love Lena so much.
“Sickened”
Taylor Swift is a billionaire. Those who had the illusion that a billionaire can be anything other than a disgusting member of the unelected ruling elite just got a reality check.
Isn’t she from a wealthy family too?
She is Daddy’s entertainment investment that paid very well in return
yes, thus the reason she’s famous. she bought her way to fame to provide the masses with her mediocre music. and if anyone tells you it ISN’T medicore, they’re lying to you and themselves.
Thank you.
Also how can anyone see that hairstyle and not think hunger game republican.
My theory is she went with bangs early in her career to hide the wrinkled forehead that she didn’t even have yet. Cheaper and more effective than botox.
I don’t listen to a lot of her music, but the stuff I have heard was good enough. People really have a difficult time separating their opinions of a person from their opinions of that person’s work.
For real. The sanctimonious bullshit of Lemmy is probably the worst part. Who cares if people like her music?
I think if you avoid the “meme” sort of communities, you’ll see less of that sort of effect. I’ve recently left most of the meme communities I was a member of, aside from very themed ones like star trek ones, and it feels more like people react much better to reason now. I was happy to see that my comment wasn’t downvoted here.
Her look, stage show, music is all the efforts of many people in a large, profitable corporation.
Every notice how female singers need to look like fashion models??
I mean, Adele tore up the scene during the 2000s-2010s and she wasn’t no fashion model. I’m sorry, but this isn’t a good argument. I could name many, many female artists who don’t fit that mold.
Adele has a god-tier voice, something that is absolutely not true of Taylor Swift.
Yes, so if the production is the product, not the singing, it makes sense to have models or actors. Just like a boy band or girl band. Some can sing, bit its not a requirement.
Unfair standards for women as usual.
People know that listening to music supports the creator, and they don’t like supporting shitty people. There’s tons of people making really good music, so you can satisfy both the desire to enjoy good music and support good people.
I don’t listen to a lot of her music, but the stuff I have heard was good enough.
Yeah, that’s about where I am with it as well. After the umpteenth time someone was like, “No! It’s genius! You haven’t given it a chance!” I listened to a handful of what they said were her top picks. And yeah, it’s not bad. In fact there’s a lot to like about it: incredibly good production, use of all the things that make a song interesting (varied tempo and use of speeds, chord changes, dynamic volume, etc) but beyond that I found it kind of meh, maybe even just a tiny bit formulaic, and they started to blend on me.
And they all sound like Taylor Swift, which is objectively NOT a bad thing for an artist to create, but compare and contrast artists and bands that evolve so much they constantly have songs and albums that don’t sound like themselves, not just over time but from one album to the next. This is my own preference and taste, and I think I got it from listening to a lot of jazz and/or jazz-inspired music created by musicians that take every limit and push it just a hair farther or in a different direction than expected.
No shade to Taylor fans at all, and I mean no disrespect. It’s NOT bad music. I’m even a tiny bit jealous they have the fan community that they do because it sounds like a lot of fun. But the music just doesn’t appeal much to me.
dynamic volume
I’m gonna disagree with this one, at least. That is definitely not a characteristic of modern pop music and Swift’s music is no exception.
Fair enough. It’s there, but absolutely within the limits you describe, lol.
Thats just because you haven’t heard the 100 better musicians who’s daddy couldn’t buy them into the business.
I don’t think the existence of better musicians means other musicians are objectively bad, though. There may be hundreds of people who can write better comments than me, but that doesn’t mean my comments are bad.
I think if you heard all the objectively better stuff given the treatment it deserves, you wouldn’t have any interest in the stuff that’s being crammed down your throat. Not that it would be worse than it is today, it just wouldn’t get the money and attention and production it gets due to far better things being available on the market.
I already have no interest in Taylor Swift, though. I just have heard some of her music and I don’t think people have bad taste in music if they like it. I’m already an older man, and there’s only so much I can permit myself to become a stereotype.
Anyways, I mostly listen to Japanese music, to try to help me learn/maintain Japanese, and Japanese music I think is even more corporate than American music. If I had it in my heart to dislike corporate music, I wouldn’t have any room to dislike things like 6-7, which is far more important.
She didn’t take any one person’s place. She just jumped the queue. The others could still try and make it without money. It’s just a lot harder.
Yes they can try to be the best producer, mixer, recording engineer, mastering engineer, marketing, PR/AR, distribution, promotion, tour booking manager, in order to rise to the level of those spending millions on it.
A few actually pull that off. But for the most part those things are reserved for acts with money to spend. Stuff like almost all large venues being owned by only 1 company with deep ties to the established record and promotion companies makes it very hard to book your show there even if you had the money to do so.
The truth is that the vast majority of pop stars come from wealthy and connected families who can afford to buy them into the business or who are already established in the entertainment businesses.
People whose only exposure to her music is the radio hits and people who were never a teenage girl are the ones complaining about her music. If you don’t get it, that’s fine. Its not for you. It’s not for me.
Lady Gaga has done the same thing yet gets a fraction of the hate. Radio bangers fund the real artist.
People whose only exposure to American for-profit concentration camps from FOX news and people who never had to a gun pointed at them because of the color of their skin are the ones defending inviting a modern day slaver to a wedding.
If you don’t get it, that’s on you.
She could be the best artist in the world but if she hangs out some of the worst human being in the world it shouldn’t matter.
Honestly, the majority of famous musicians aren’t that good of people. Shit, even Mozart and Beethoven were dicks.
Some separation of the music and the artists is needed.
Beethoven might have been unpleasant, but he wasn’t a bad person. On the contrary, he was a hell of a leftist, he hated the billionaires of his time and supported liberty and civil rights, which back then put you at the extreme left of the political scenario. I know you just pulled two names for the sake of your argument, just please keep my boy Beethoven out of your Taylor Swift apology.
To add to this: Mozart was a dick and was probably poisoned because he pissed off the wrong person. Dead at 35.
Fun fact: Mozart invented a system that used dice to randomly generate music. My unprovable pet theory is that he kept improving this system but stopped telling people about it and used it to compose all of his greatest hits.
People also love to hate famous people just because they’re famous. Which is stupid and a waste of energy.
or hate her because she invited a Fascist to her wedding? Some celebs did not RSVP.
Yes, hate her for that.
I have no idea what celebs RSVPing has to do with anything?Some people made an ethical decision not to attend this event.
Let’s get real, 0% chance of this lasting 5 years.
For a celeb, or anyone, to not attend a wedding for whatever reason is perfectly fine.
But not to RSVP is rude and selfish.
You would do better to RSVP with “I would rather be eaten by fire ants than attend your shitty wedding, and I hope your bride chokes on the cake and vomits all over you.”
Hating anybody is stupid and a waste because hating them doesn’t really affect them. It only hurts you. That doesn’t stop me from hating certain famous people, though. What can I say? I guess I’m stupid.
This is exactly why people hate Keanu Reeves and Tom Hanks and Dolly Parton so much!
Although I am sure that I have heard them in passing, I have never knowing listened to a Taylor Swift song.
Almost all of my exposure to recent pop music is either from late-night grocery shopping or from the swim club a block from my house that has a DJ three or four nights a week during the summer. Unfortunately that’s enough for all of it. I can even sing along to fucking Imagine Dragons.
I agree she got where she is in no small part due to her family’s wealth. But her staying power is because—to many myself included—she’s a decent songwriter. You can hate her music, perfectly valid, but I disagree with calling her music “mediocre” as though it’s some objective fact.
Like, I fucking hate the Beatles, not my taste, but Paul McCartney and John Lennon were undeniably talented.
It sucks, but sometimes the rich and famous do have some talents that many enjoy. I think she’s one to a certain extent.
she’s a decent songwriter
Her early attempts to write songs by herself were her least commercially-successful albums. Her songs are good (if you like that sort of thing) because they’re written by a large agglomeration of professional songwriters.
Everyone has talents many people could enjoy.
Only the rich have the ability to develop those talents without having to worry about everything else. This allows even the mediocre to become passable.
TLDR her dad works in finance, moved the family to Nashville, and supported her career at every step. So she very much got carried by her parents even if they didn’t buy her fame.
Given the Music Industry’s history of insidership and hand selecting artists for the highest level of promotion; I think the lack of “smoking guns” such as her parents mass buying her albums or paying off producers etc just shows how inorganic and corporatized popular music is.
The fact that she’s alt-country is the smoking gun. WWE is less fake than Country Music.
WWE is less fake than Country Music.
If country music is all fake, then explain this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1hnBv12-uk
Her father bought a shareholding in the record label that then signed her.
Ah there it is.
My brother Bill and my other brother Jack. A belly full of beer and a possum in a sack.
Now that’s some quality writing right there!
Peak alt-country
Depends on how you define $250,000 in cash. Way more than the average American has on hand, not exactly a crazy amount to have if you don’t spend it on a bigger house and expensive car as soon as you can and save your kid’s college fund. It’s a hefty sum, but people comment like she’s a forgotten Rockefeller.
Yes and most of her friends are suspiciously maga
Out of 1000 people invited to the wedding, the adoptive father of Travis Kelce 's childhood friend is an objectively evil person. Has there ever been a wedding in the world without one total dick that had to be invited because of some family obligation? Does anyone do in-depth investigations of all the plus-ones? Besides the journalists searching for celebrity dirt to exploit after the fact, that is.
Does anyone do in-depth investigations of all the plus-ones?
If I was a billionaire pop-star with a reputation to preserve, I would.
I guarantee you every single person who was invited at Taylor Swift’s wedding was personally vetted by her. Nobody there was there by mistake.
I’m not a pop star or anything, but the number of my husband’s friends’ parents who were invited to our wedding was zero.
Did these people run out of actual friends and family to invite? That’s sad.
I’ve literally never heard of anybody inviting their friends’ parents to their wedding.
If you offered a friend a plus-one and they brought a parent rather than a date it could have happened to you.
How many people did you invite to your wedding?
You mean the Woman who Printed thirty DIFFERENT copies of her Expensive albums so her Fans would HAVE to get ALL of Them despite the ONLY difference being the album Color isn’t a Good Person? I’m SHOCKED!
Have these fans no agency?
Not really
Why would you buy it 30 times just to get a different color? Was that in any way shape or form common for fans?
Why do they have to buy all of them
Because they’re swifties.
“followers of billionaire shocked to find out billionaires act like billionaires, don’t care about fans opinions”
You CANNOT be a billionaire AND a good person. The two are not compatible. If you were a truly good and decent person who cares about others, you WOULDN’T BE A BILLIONAIRE
Mostly I agree with this but not as a blanket statement. I wouldn’t view it as “good or bad”, but rather " does their behavior cause harm?". In the cause of the vast majority of billionaires, yes, they cause harm to get to where they are. Examples like Swift, Jackson and Rowling where they have become billionaires through entertainment are less straightforward. But there is still the question of why are they hoarding all that money, which quite obviously does harm
Billionaires DO NOT BECOME BILLIONAIRES THROUGH HARD WORK
They become stupid rich via exploitation.
Barring some massive astronomical movie coincidence that makes the rich overnight by surprise, they got their wealth DISHONESTLY.
THERE ARE NO GOOD BILLIONAIRES.
By holding on to it instead of using all but what they actually NEED (lpt you don’t NEED a 15 million dollar house) they prove it every single day.
Taylor swift could almost single handedly ensure no child in the US goes hungry, yet… Doesn’t. List any number of charities a billionaire donates to, the fact that they’re still a billionaire means it’s NOT ENOUGH.
Every day they have many orders of magnitude more than the average person, they prove they’re pieces of shit not worth our time.
If I were a billionaire my job would quickly be to find good ways to give away my money. Cancer research, paying for school lunches, fund libraries, found some sort of institution that makes life better for people.
I think I’d just buy the same politicians they do to fund that stuff permanently instead.
If you were I billionaire most of your money wouldn’t be cash on your bank account in stocks/shares most probably. If you try to sell these shares all at once you won’t find enough buyers and would have to sell at a way lower value. You could try selling them off bit-by-bit over time to gain liquid capital that you could use to invest in helping people
Yep. That’s exactly what Mackenzie Scott (Bezos’ ex-wife) did when she got her divorce settlement, got busy giving it all away. More power to her.
Yes, but you would’ve started doing this long before you became a billionaire, which would’ve precluded you becoming a billionaire in the first place. Unless you had a change of heart after being visited by three ghosts or something like that.
I think Stoly is more implying an incredibly unlikely event in that they are suddenly in possession of a billion dollars, kinda like the Adam Sandler movie “Mr Deeds”
That is correct and very charitable on your part. There is a way in which sometimes the machine starts churning and suddenly the person is a billionaire.
I’d seen I think it was Powerball jackpots reaching close to a billion, I know it’d be like half or less after taxes (silly thing that US taxes lottery winnings), but even half a billion is pretty much “fuck you” money for most people
I genuinely think that a million dollars is enough for most people to live well. Use it responsibly, buy a house, invest the rest. If you work a job that you like on the side, then that’s all straight savings.
That really depends on where you live. A million dollars where I live is enough to buy a house and start a retirement investment that might be enough to retire on in 10-20 years if you keep contributing to it and the yields are good.
Granted average house price for a modest house (1300sq ft) went from 200k to 800k in the last 10 years here…
She’s an evil billionaire. No billionaires are good people
Sorry, the good Taylor can’t come to the phone right now. Why? Because she’s DEAD!
He’s the adoptive father of Travis Kelce’s longtime friend, but sure blame the woman.
They are a couple and they both share the responsibility of how their wedding went. Your right to point out Travis’ part in this but ultimately she isn’t helpless and is willing to associate herself with these people too.
Gee, maybe she should have pushed back on that invite. Or maybe they could have had their wedding in private rather than making it a spectacle that shut down a chunk of Manhattan, where the guest list would be a little less open to critique.
I can believe that Taylor is a trash person. Lots of rich people are. I still don’t understand the seething hatred some people have for her, though. (I mean that I don’t understand it if I forget about misogyny.)
To be fair, many have a seething hatred for all rich people.
What really seems hypocritical to me is a lot of the ones here are all “seize the means of production” but shit on her, after she re-recorded her entire catalog to earn the money to buy back the rights to her own original work from the producers who were exploiting her. Badassery without violence threatens their manhood I guess.
Yes she’s self-interested, even self-centered. But they act as if she’s in the Evil Billionaire Top Ten when there’s mere millionaires who are more evil than her.
Who invites their friends’ parents to their wedding?
I didn’t, but I gave my best friend a plus-one invitation. He chose not to bring anyone but if he’d brought his mom I wouldn’t have known until she arrived.
Blame everyone! Mwahahahahahhaaaaa!!!
TIL people were still worshipping celebrities after Covid
even before covid, if you can believe it
The artist has faced swift backlash…
Writer just couldn’t resist, could they?
A well-known Zionist officiated the wedding…
You’re talking about Adam Sandler?
The Waterboy?
Yes
What a fucking letdown that is, I didn’t know. I knew he was Jewish of course but I didn’t think he’s the kind of person to support this much horror. Guess he goes the way of Andy Samberg.
Please tell me this isn’t true or I’ll start to worry about my love, Joanna.
Damn it what happened with Andy
I was told he is a Zionist, think I read it somewhere too.
I can’t find anything, I think they confused Samberg with Sandler?
I’m not particularly surprised. A lot of people conflate family origins with personal identity.
“Kiss me, I’m Irish!”
“You’re either with us or against us!”
“Axis of evil.”
Race biases. Class biases. Gender biases. Etc etc etc, and most of it is unconsciousness and subjective.
Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.
Carl Jung
