• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    11 days ago

    No idea what you’re meaning at all, nor why you think I agree with you. Reform is a dead end, revolution is necessary. This seems to run to the polar opposite of what you’re saying. No idea what you mean by me saying I “say words without understanding their meaning” nor how that’s applicable here.

    • grinning_serpent@lemmy.worldBanned from community
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      8 days ago

      Reform is a dead end, but the alternative is to start a fucking war and leave thousands dead and millions displaced, if the asymmetric warfare of the 21st century is anything to go by. Who’s willing to pay that butcher’s bill? Who even can? Even if you start with nonviolent means, like a general labor strike or civil disobedience, the establishment will introduce violence in an attempt to force people back to work.

      Like, it’s all great to read Marx, think dude had some pretty good ideas and want to make them reality, but how do you get there?

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        5 days ago

        Revolution is necessary. If reform cannot work, and the only paths are slow deaths for everyone or a revolution to save the world, then the latter is necessary.

        • grinning_serpent@lemmy.worldBanned from community
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          8 days ago

          This is the most Reddit Mod shit I’ve seen in years. Do you ever take a moment for self reflection?

          Do you genuinely understand what you’re calling for here? It will not be a bloodless revolution, and a lot of people are going to get hurt, imprisoned, or killed resisting the establishment. Because the establishment will resort to violence to break up labor strikes and try to force people back to work, as we’ve seen several times in the US (let alone elsewhere.)

          If you’re okay with that, then why are you moderating some random lemmy sub instead of being on the front lines? You’re preparing to fight and kill for the revolution but you still got time to go on power trips on the internet?

          You believe that the ends justify the means, and you might even be right. Reform is a delaying tactic, not a solution. But who the fuck wants to pay that butcher’s bill? You?

          • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldM
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            8 days ago

            Reform is a delaying tactic

            In the words of James Baldwin, how much time do you want for your progress?

            The same tactics being used today liberals have used since the creation of this country, and it always fails. But their arrogant hubris says ‘this time it will work’

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        11 days ago

        Revolution is the overthrow of the class that controls the state and the commanding heights of the economy by another class. Labor is inherent, labor-power is commodified labor. The working classes, through revolution, sieze control of the state and the commanding heights of industry, smashing the old capitalist state and replacing it with a proletarian one.

        Revolution is the conquest of state power by a given class, legitimized through a monopoly on force and the commanding heights of the economy.