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@firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Waterfox @Freenet @librewolf
These are all just chrome and firefox with extra steps.
@Thyazide @Tutanota
From Vivaldi concerning it being Chromium based:
“Vivaldi is based on Chromium, which is open-source, and all the
improvements we make to this code are published under the same open-
source license. That’s roughly 95% of the code. The remaining 5%, related to Vivaldi’s UI, remains proprietary to this day, although it is still possible to make sense of the obfuscated code and edit it to mod the browser to your liking (something some of the community members do).
As for the reasons for not going fully open-source at the moment, despite
many of Vivaldi’s employees being proponents and users of open-source
software, the devil is in the details. The UI is what makes Vivaldi a unique
browser, we wouldn’t want our work to be used to create a forked browser
that opposes our ethics, and given our limited resources, we cannot
commit to review submitted patches.
This is what works for our company now, but the discussion is, regardless,
far from settled.”True
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They’re not “run on Chromium” like apps run on Windows. They use Chromium as their integral part. Better analogy would be taking Windows, uninstalling some but not all pre-installed apps, adding a bunch of bells and whistles to it, and saying that you’ve made an OS that is an alternative to Windows.
Exactly. Calling Chromium-based browsers “Chrome with extra steps” might not be exactly accurate, but it conveys the truth of the matter pretty accurately
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You linked a marketing page. It says “it’s a layer”, sure. They conveniently omitted that other “layers” they mention - UI and synchronization between devices - aren’t even close to be comparable in complexity with engine.
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Have you… read it?
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ahem every linux distribution ahem
Exactly. Nobody in their right mind will say that Ubuntu is a Linus Torvalds free alternative to Linux.
Good analogy, what happens if Microsoft decided tomorrow that windows was no longer a profitable venture and stopped maintaining it?
Relying on Chrome and Firefox for alternatives to Chrome and Firefox is still an issue. Especially with Mozilla, if they folded the community would not have the resources to maintain Firefox.
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When Google will discontinue Chromium as an opensource project (notice that I didn’t say if), all those browsers will survive for half a year and then die due to lack of compliance and security updates. Chromium is incredibly complicated, web protocols are even more complicated, none of that is good, and people are rapidly losing the ability to maintain complicated projects due to LLM-induced mass psychoses.
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For you? Depend on your budget and how many people you employ.
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I kind of assumed you would reply with a lack of understanding of the resources it takes to maintain those engines and keep them complaint with web standards.
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It’s still a problem. I didnt say we had other options right now. But pretending it’s not a problem isn’t going to fix it. Do you really want to rely on those companies for your browser engines? Mozilla is at least an alternative to Google, but a tenuous one. And Microsoft taking over development of either of those isn’t an improvement.
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it’s highly unlikely that they will just stop
It’s like you never heard of Google and their practices.
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Gecko would die the minute mozilla said they weren’t going to maintain it.
No one is going to pick it up.
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Pedantry isn’t really an argument, its just pedandtry. Those engines rely almost entirely on the resources provided by Google and Mozilla’s development of their broswers. Open source is all well and good, but those engines are not primarily maintained by the community, they’re maintained by employees at Google and Mozilla.
The majority are soft forks - compiling chromium with some flags, patches, presents, and add-ons.
@fizzle
Could be, but the ones I know do a little bit more.https://yngve.vivaldi.net/sooo-you-say-you-want-to-maintain-a-chromium-fork/
Oh yeah, some custom css as well.
I like Librewolf
Yeah, but not on mobile unfortunately :/
I use Ironfox in my android phone.
yeah Ironfox is pretty good
Firefox, always happy with it as a user
Librewolf is the only answer
Yey I win
how many of these alternatives are firefox forks and how many of them are chrome forks?
Do we still consider Pale Moon a Firefox fork?
Do you understand what a fork is?
Yes but it forked so long ago that it’s on a different codebase.
Except duck, all the ones I know are Firefox forks.
Duck AFAIK is neither
Duck is Chrome except on Mac where it’s Safari.
@Tutanota @firefox @duckduckgo @puffin @Waterfox @ecosia @palemoon @zenbrowser @mullvadnet @torproject @Freenet @librewolf **Waterfox**, of course : No Mozilla A.I. bullshit but still account Sync through all my browsers. 😙
I like zen flavored Firefox and librewolf
Aren’t most of those just chrome in a hooded jacket?
Most of them actually are Firefox in a hooded jacket.
Really? Which one aren’t ff? I don’t like the chrome rendering engine, but want to try new UIs to ff.
Tor, LibreWolf, WaterFox and Zen I know are FireForks
I absolutely adore LibreWolf!
I love PaleMoon, but can’t really daily drive it. Mostly just use Waterfox and Firefox. Waterfox is fantastic and fixes pretty much every issue I’ve ever had with Firefox.
Do search engine browsers like DuckDuckGo or Ecosia have anything to offer? From my experience they’re just Firefox but worse. Has anything changed recently?
In the trash where it belongs.
I’m curious and suspicious. Why would Vivaldi be left out of this list, and why would someone call it trash? I’m using Vivaldi, and it seems like a very good choice to me.
Not looking for a fight, but would like to know.
It’s not open source.
@one_old_coder ok, got it. It’s freeware, though? I guess I’m still confused. Are people upset with Vivaldi because the code is proprietary? Doesn’t seem like there’s a privacy risk, it doesn’t use AI, doesn’t use manifest V3… Seems like the best choice. Again, this is just making me curious.
Vivaldi is really good visually and has good features. But the fact that it is closed-source and may not have uBlock Origin is a bad thing. I used to accept black boxes a long time ago when I was starting to write my own programs, but I have now seen all the bad things coming from closed-source applications that I am very careful now.
It’s not more a privacy risk than other applications, but you cannot check or know whether it’s the truth. And what happens when they start to fuck me up because it’s “free” and I have to spend a whole week-end migrating to another browser because the CEO needs more money and starts to do weird stuff with his project?
I may over react, but I have seen bad behaviors for more than 20 years, and I am careful now. If I don’t use it, I avoid 48 hours of technical support trying to find an alternative. Also it is based on Chrome which makes it more restricted for the plugins. Yet another bad thing that I can avoid right now by not using their product.
A summary would be: it’s good (good), but it’s based on Chrome, it’s restricted, I am dependent on yet another company that will switch sides because it technically has no clients (it’s free), and it’s closed-source.
Last but not least, they had a thing in their terms of services which said that they could close your account without warning if you didn’t behave elsewhere on the internet. Another red flag.
@one_old_coder on those are good points. I’m using uBlock origin on it and have disabled ads. I am very much concerned about who might have access to my data, stored passwords, etc. I understand where you’re coming from. I’m not sure if I trust a fork of Firefox if the base is at risk. From what I can tell, Vivaldi and Water/Librefox are all kind of circumventing what Google and Mozilla are doing. Ultimately, the best thing would be to build an entirely new browser, IMO. In the meantime, it’s good to know what the best options are.
I’m guessing it was left off the list because it’s not open source but honestly I was just making a joke.
@the_riviera_kid lol ok got ya. Thought there might be something I was missing. Like, “Why are people bagging on Vivaldi?”
Me personally: its chromium based, and doesn’t it have an email client?
I wouldnt call it trash necessarily but… its not my thing.
@darkwolf @the_riviera_kid
Some are fanatic without arguments.
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All I see in that photo is a bunch of logos on white backgrounds. That’s some lazy ass icon design.
Good old Firefox straight from their apt repo, that way I get security patches/bug fixes in a timely fashion without the need to be rebased/rebuild by a third party.
Thankfully they have added the AI switch which made me come back again.
( FYI: You have added the lemmy.world community of firefox not the official account on mastodon.social which is why its now showing up here https://lemmy.world/post/47155266 kinda cool that it works but also a bit confusing :) )
Zen. Love it.
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With Local AI ? No thanks
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Na thanks
