The recent actions by administrators of the Lemmy.world instance have revealed a troubling pattern of censorship and ideological enforcement that undermines the very principles of open discourse. By banning multiple users, blocking entire communities, and defederating from instances based on their anti-Zionist stance, Lemmy.world’s leadership has demonstrated that it will not tolerate legitimate dissent regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
This article examines the evidence of this crackdown, exploring what these actions mean for the future of free speech in the fediverse.
A Pattern of Censorship and Ideological Overreach
The Heavy Hand of MrKaplan
At the center of this controversy stands @MrKaplan, an administrator for Lemmy.world. Over a few days in April 2026, MrKaplan launched a sweeping series of actions:
- Banned multiple users for being anti-Zionist
- Blocked entire communities and communications
- Defederated from the entire Anarchist.Nexus instance over its anti-Zionist stance
A post characterizing these events states this extreme overreaction and power-tripping behavior stems from Lemmy.world’s history of pro-Zionist views and that MrKaplan is seeking out the flimsiest pretext to enact his own personal vendetta.
Another user described MrKaplan’s actions by stating he is a corrupt baby and that Lemmy.world is a toxic shithole. They called for everyone to mass instance block Lemmy.world, noting it would be a waste to defederate one of the biggest instances because of one idiot, but the idiot is the head admin who can just unilaterally decide what to do.
The administrator of that instance was even more explicit, stating they are a corrupt baby and that Lemmy.world is a toxic shithole, while calling for everyone to mass instance block them.
Bans for Anti-Zionist Stances
The bans did not target hate speech or genuine threats but rather legitimate political discourse:
- A user was banned for having “Murder All Zionists” in their username, with the admin citing “calling for murder in their username”
- The same user was additionally banned for accusing FHF team members of being Zionists while simultaneously calling for Zionists to be murdered
This demonstrates a fundamental confusion on the part of Lemmy.world administrators between critiquing a political ideology (Zionism) and inciting violence against people. Zionism is a political ideology, not an ethnicity or race. Criticizing or even calling for the end of Zionism as a political project is not the same as calling for violence against Jewish people.
Defederation and Community Removal
Perhaps most egregiously, MrKaplan removed entire communities from Anarchist.Nexus after defederating the entire instance:
- Removed Community Peek-a-boo’s corner@anarchist.nexus
- Removed Community Disengage, Disconnect, Block, Filter@anarchist.nexus
- Removed Community Chill Videos To Relax To@anarchist.nexus
- Removed Community vegan@anarchist.nexus
All were removed with the sole reason stated as “defederated instance”.
This is not targeted moderation—it is ideological cleansing. Entire communities focused on completely apolitical topics like veganism, relaxation videos, and general chat were deleted simply for being hosted on an instance that holds pro-Palestinian views.
Community Censorship Enforced from the Top
The problem extends beyond bans and defederation. Inside Lemmy.world itself, moderators aggressively push narratives and ban anyone who objects:
- A moderator aggressively pushes a narrative and bans anyone who objects, which a user notes is not the only community where this happens and is a point of discussion among the .world team
- Another user explained they were directly censored and banned on a large and active Lemmy.world community for explaining why the US is involved with the Palestinian genocide
- A different user described Lemmy.world having the most Zionists on Lemmy as well as the most tolerance for Zionism and erasure of the US’ involvement in the genocide
The issue is so widespread that dedicated communities have formed to chronicle Lemmy.world’s descent into complete Zionism, sharing modlogs of bans and evidence of their wrongdoing.
The Fediverse Context and Double Standards
The Israel-Palestine conflict has been a flashpoint across the fediverse, but Lemmy.world’s approach stands out for its aggressive enforcement.
Other Instances Take a Different Approach
Other instances have grappled with similar challenges but have generally sought balanced approaches. For instance, one community moderator noted they banned a user for repeatedly calling for the murder of Zionists, which the mods didn’t find appropriate, emphasizing a more targeted approach to actual threats rather than ideological purges.
Meanwhile, Lemmy.world has increasingly aligned with instances enforcing censorship. For example, Feddit.org announced they would ban criticism of Israel and pro-Palestinian posts, including:
- The slogan “From the river to the sea”
- Comparing Israel to the Nazis
- Calls to end Zionism
- Calls for the dissolution of Israel
While Feddit.org cited German law as justification (which criminalizes certain forms of anti-Zionist speech as antisemitism), Lemmy.world has no such legal constraints and is not bound by German law, yet it has voluntarily adopted similarly repressive policies.
The Hexbear Double Standard
The hypocrisy becomes glaring when examining how different instances are treated. Hexbear, known for its authoritarian moderation and open hostility to liberal democracy, remainsfederated while anti-Zionist instances are targeted. One user noted then ironic that Hexbear has large threads voting on who to defederate, but is not labeled as authoritarian.
This selective enforcement reveals that Lemmy.world’s real concern is not protecting users from threats but enforcing a particular ideological line. Lemmy.world will tolerate authoritarian communists but actively purges anti-Zionists. This is not moderation—it’s political persecution.
A History of Controversial Moderation
The recent crackdown is not an isolated incident but part of a pattern:
- A user was banned from Lemmy.world for reporting ToS-breaking comments, with the user concluding that Lemmy.world can no longer be trusted for any admin decision and that they are not being transparent with their decisions or even who their admins and those with admin abilities are
- A user was banned from Lemmy.world for a week after criticizing Israel
- A user was banned from Lemmy.world completely for reporting ToS-breaking comments
- A user banned from Lemmy.world for reporting rule-breaking content noted the lack of transparency about who admins are and what authority they hold
Another instance has a pinned post accusing .world of supporting the Zionist genocide of Palestinians. Users have described the platform as a Zionist cesspool, a ZioNazi instance, and trash.
Final Condemnation and Call to Action
Lemmy.world has revealed itself to be an openly partisan instance that uses its position as the largest Lemmy server to enforce ideological conformity rather than facilitate open discussion. By banning users and defederating entire instances solely for their anti-Zionist stance, its administrators have chosen political repression over the principles of free association.
This is not moderation—it is censorship. It is not about safety—it is about ideological control. And it is not just—it is political persecution.
To the fediverse community, the message is clear: migrate to instances that respect actual political pluralism. Consider sh.itjust.works, or lemmy.dbzer0.com—instances that have not demonstrated the same pattern of ideological overreach. For those already using Lemmy.world, move your communities, migrate your accounts, and take your content elsewhere. Platforms that ban dissent do not deserve your participation.
To the administrators of Lemmy.world, the message is equally clear: transparency, accountability, and respect for political plurality are not optional. Reverse these bans. Refederate with removed instances. Publicly commit to viewpoint-neutral moderation. Until then, your instance must be recognized for what it has become—a tool of political suppression.
To the wider fediverse, it is time for coordinated action. Encourage instance administrators to defederate from Lemmy.world not over the specifics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but over the broader principle that platforms engaging in coordinated ideological censorship and defederation should be isolated. The problem is not MrKaplan alone but a culture of ideological enforcement that has long been tolerated.
Standards must apply equally to all instances. If the fediverse is to survive as an alternative to corporate social media, it must actively reject attempts by any instance—even large ones—to impose political litmus tests. The alternative is a fediverse splintered into ideological silos, where the largest players enforce political conformity and the smallest are defederated into irrelevance.
Free speech for my enemies is free speech at all. Lemmy.world has failed this test—and the fediverse must treat it accordingly.
I’m locking the post since i’m seeing people starting to attack each other and i can’t intervene to every comments. Sadly lot topics will be left unsolved. :(
I just wanted to bring both point of view from LW and AN. For now let’s cool down.
Thank for your understanding.
Look, is this some kind of coordinated harassment campaign? It’s feeling like it.
Can’t we all just take a step back and breathe?
– Frost
Yes, it is.
When pressed to provide evidence of lemmy.world’s Zionism they can’t. When shown piefed.social’s pro-palestinian history, they just double down.
This is all bullshit.
This whole thing has been quite out in the public so there’s bound to be waves of even more public reactions as new people come across it.
So now we’re using LLMs to write slander and propaganda against each other, are we? A new low.
Lemmy.world is run by Ruud, a man that lives in the Netherlands. He does not have the same legal protections as say Reddit. He has to obey his laws in his country. Looking up Netherlands laws, it would seem to me that having any user named “Murder all <GROUP>” is literally against the law in the Netherlands. So he has two choices. Literally risk going to prison, or having to take it down.
The brilliance of the Fediverse, as you realize because you’ve posted this on Piefed, anyone can create a server and build their own connections.
I’m against hurting anyone, but I’m in the US, where people have that right to say those things. Ruud isn’t.
These servers have specific rules for their communities for a reason. Most aren’t here to make money. No one is paying Ruud to keep people in power. He doesn’t even have to run ANY service, but he is. Because he believes in the Fediverse. But he’s still bound by his laws and it’s his server.
I’ve spoken to Ruud on an episode. He’s a lovely man that doesn’t deserve this hate.
I understand the frustration. Lemmy.world is a large instance where there are tons of people, but you don’t know the laws.
I’m not denying the censorship at all. I’m not denying that we need to speak out for Palestinians. But he HAS to follow his country’s laws or there will be no services. And when you say ggod that’s what you want, the more servers shut down, the more people will turn away. The more people are forced back to big tech where they will censor you to protect their investment. Reddit IS protected by that speech under section 230, but they’ll still censor it.
The best you can do, start your own instance. It’s possible it might be blocked by Lemmy.world if your server is breaking their rules. But at least you can get your message out.
having any user named “Murder all <GROUP>”
Then you ban the single user (who is an admin on the instance and used bad phrasing, changed it and stepped down just to note), not defederate the instance, contact them using available channels you are aware of (matrix) given its an admin, and address.
That said - it wasn’t Ruud, it was MrKaplan who did this action. Without input. Who also called it a direct call for his own murder (which is an insane leap).
Also, let’s be a bit more honest here - .world has found whatever reason they could over the past few years to defed from dbzer0 and now related instances such as anarchist.nexus. Federation gets started right back up as soon as thebadmin actions get called out by users.
Let’s also be more honest here and point out that .world pushed a “teach the controversy” rule that would have explicitly allowed this sort of speech (and speech that would have been so much worse).
But!
But he HAS to follow his country’s laws or there will be no services.
This is not remotely what happened, so let’s not play pretend and suggest it was.
I don’t have a clue what happened. There’s no actual showing of the links. I have no clue what happened. I’m also not a Dutch lawyer, are you?
I don’t know the history of Lemmy.world or dbzer0. And neither has to justify to anyone. Anyone can run their own, make their own rules. If you want to participate in those communities you have to follow their rules.
The power of the Fediverse is these platforms are built for their communities. They decide. Just like Reddit. The difference is, you can spin up your own and be a part of the conversation.
I pretend nothing here. If an admin on a server goes rogue, that’s between the admin and server owner. Go to Ruud if you think this is wrong.
Calling on everyone to defederate from world is a way, but does it get directly to the source? It’s like going to a store, getting kicked out by clerk because they don’t approve your shirt, and complaining to customers instead of talking to the manager.
This isn’t big tech. You don’t need worldwide news to fix injustice. World has MANY services. I’ve talked to him directly.
I’m not accusing anyone of anything, but looking up Dutch law, I’m not a lawyer let alone dutch, but it seems like saying to murder someone isn’t allowed there.
Be mad. Absolutely. Feel your emotions. Vent, get frustrated, then take action. If posting on another place is the action you’re willing to take, then so be it, but you have the power to build for your community.
I absolutely know that my community isn’t for everyone and it’s naive of anyone yo think theirs would be. Build your own. The network becomes stronger the more servers out there.
I was accused of being a CIA spy on Lemmy.ml in the past. Obviously that community wasn’t for me. So I can post and get upset, or I can try to talk to the creator, or I can move servers, start my own server, or even start building my own software.
I’ve moved numerous times. I was on Beehaw, they’re lively, I didn’t agree with their federation policy, so I left. I’m here now. Maybe I’ll disagree someday and spin up my own private instance. But that will also take work.
I don’t have a clue what happened. There’s no actual showing of the links. I have no clue what happened. I’m also not a Dutch lawyer, are you?
I’m not OP, I’m responding to you - who also provided no links to your statements. I don’t think you need to start responding in this tone, its unnecessary.
So…
I don’t have a clue what happened. There’s no actual showing of the links. I have no clue what happened.
Totally fair to not know! What do you not know about that links would be helpful for? Because what you said in your first comment comes across as though you do know, so if you dont, why are you so specific as to reasoning for decisions?
I’m also not a Dutch lawyer, are you?
Then why are you making claims about the legality and Ruud’s requirements?
Be mad. Absolutely. Feel your emotions. Vent, get frustrated, then take action.
I think you may be confused about who I am or the tone of my comments. Neither my previous comment or this one are emotional in any way, so I am really confused about what youre suggesting here.
I understand you’re not OP. I’m responding to you. You’re telling me not to pretend. There is no tone to text. I’m totally fine. I’m not attempting to be accusatory or anything. I’m just saying, things aren’t always clear as people assume.
As for Dutch law, I can look it up:
https://www.government.nl/themes/migration-and-travel/discrimination/prohibition-of-discrimination
It’s up for interpretation of saying to murder someone, sounds like it could be considered incitement of violence and being it’s directly at a specific religion, that could be illegal there.
IDK why they banned it. I’m saying go ask or create a new community if folks are upset.
As for Dutch law, I can look it up
So can I, and as you point out, neither of us is a lawyer, so we dont need to stand on that as a basis here.
being it’s directly at a specific religion,
Zionism <> Judaism
Let’s not conflate the two. Zionism is, quite specifically, a nationalist movement supporting the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. It is in no way, shape, or form a religion.
Zionists literally killed anti zionists jews like Jacob israel de han. It is basically a version of the ISIS ideology
I’m not standing on anything. I just looked up and they have anti discrimination laws and they have laws about speech around such and around incitement of violence. We have ZERO say in any of this. I’m not defending anyone.
I’m especially NOT defending anyone killing innocents.
We don’t get to define Dutch law, we don’t get to define lemmy.world policy, we don’t get to define how one word is interpreted in a part of the world we don’t exist.
There are MANY MANY injustices in the world. I’m not advocating for any of it.
I’m advocating for, if you don’t like it, build your own, join another community etc.
You can define any word you wish in any way you wish, that doesn’t mean that every single country will agree with you.
One final thing. I understand the history of the genocide in Palestine. I want ZERO deaths. I want NO ONE to invade anyone else’s land. But attempting to solve anything via an internet platform isn’t going to help anyone.
I don’t disagree with you in the least, but I also don’t agree that you get to dictate what is and isn’t law in another country and for another platform. Start your own if you don’t like theirs. You still get to decide and have a voice on the Fediverse. No one has to listen, just like you don’t have to listen to them.
We can go around and around on this and seem to already have. So I won’t be responding anymore. I do wish you the best of luck and I hold no animosity towards anyone in any of these conversations. I’m just saying, you’re going to find people that you don’t like and you don’t agree with. When you’re in their house, it’s their rules. or you get banned. Whether I agree or not, that’s their right. So build your own, defend YOUR rights. Protect YOUR community.
I never suggested we did define dutch law.
I’m saying its farcical that this was the reason. Ruud was not involved in the decision. This was MrKaplan, through and through.
I’m advocating for, if you don’t like it, build your own, join another community etc.
Which is completely unrelated to what’s being discussed here. Not sure I follow.
You can define any word you wish in any way you wish, that doesn’t mean that every single country will agree with you.
No. Full stop, we are going to focus on this right here.
ZIONISM IS NOT JUDAISM UNDER ANY DEFINITION ANYWHERE.
Just stop with this, please. This is not a discussion, this is not an “oh well if you think about it this way”.
No. Zionism is not Judaism. Zionism is not a religion. Do not conflate the two. This is not a “perspective”. This is fact. Stop it.
But attempting to solve anything via an internet platform isn’t going to help anyone.
Also completely irrelevant to the post, and you don’t get to determine what will help and what will not. Don’t try to placate hatred on one hand while hand-wringing with the other about genocide.
Sorry, but this is one of the most farcical parts of your comment, though conflating Judaism and Zionism is by far the worst.
So build your own, defend YOUR rights. Protect YOUR community.
Try reading the actual post then to see what is actually being discussed.
I don’t know the history of Lemmy.world or dbzer0
lemmy.world allows Zionists to spread misinformation . Dbzero is both anti tanki and anti zionism. There is no better combination
If you want to participate in those communities you have to follow their rules.
Spreading misinformation leading to harm or potential harm for certain groups is against the tos of lemmy.world yet they allows Zionists to do it. Lemmy.world mod do not respect their own rules
db0 is pro-AI so fuck them too
DB0, the user and by extension the instance, also says like 90% of the same stuff that Tankies say. Wouldn’t trust that dude in the same commune as me.
Bullshit. I saw pro russian propaganda removed from the instance
To nobody’s surprise, insult Tankies and mrdown is offended.
FiniteBanjo the user also says like 90% of the same stuff that Nazis say.
They’re a toxic troll who has been banned from nearly every left wing community at least once. Like it takes a level of skill to get banned from slrpnk.
Fuck Off Nazis, Kill Nazis, and militant racism and autocrats in general.
That includes Trump, Netanyahu, Putin, and Xi Jinping.
I’ll just mention that the things you hate about AI are probably things you hate about corporate AI, and not the tech itself.
Thats a discussion for another time and place though.
Why do you think thats worse than support of genocide?
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Now fuck off.
pro-ai is worst then platforming genocide and settler colonialism supporters?
They’re the bad ones, we’re the good ones!
If you have arguments proving otherwise please tell me
deleted by creator
“Changed it and stepped down” = created a new user and is still there.
No, same user, removed the applied display name and is no longer an admin.
Any instance that trusted a user enough to make them an admin who then had that as a username and world view should fuck right off.
Any instance that trusted a user who promotes genocide through their world view should fuck right off.
Does that work for you too? Why / why not?
Do you expect people to know everything someone will do before becoming an admin? Or do you act when the situation calls for it? What about users? Do you somehow have foreknowledge of everything that user will ever say or do?
Great thing about a federated model is that alt right hives like this can drift away.
Wait a second - are you suggesting being anti-zionist is alt right? Or are you suggesting dbzer0 is alt right?
I mean both are hilariously wrong, I’m just curious.
Lemmy.world is run by Ruud, a man that lives in the Netherlands. He does not have the same legal protections as say Reddit.
Bullshit. Nobody is going to have legal issue in a niche platform with anonymous users.
I have no problem with removing the user advocating for killing all zionists but the lemmy.world has been openly defending one of the worst zionist who say palestinians was not forced to leave during the nekba
The brilliance of the Fediverse, as you realize because you’ve posted this on Piefed, anyone can create a server and build their own connections
We don’t want echochambers and we don’t want objectively wrong and disgusting content to be allowed either. The fediverse has the same problem as centralized platfoms instead of most people using only the most popular centralized , on the fediverse most gravitate to big instances. The fediverse lack tools to move content from one instance to another, even if someone want to escape from lemmy.world , he can’t because it don’t want to lose hia community followers
I absolutely agree we don’t want echo chambers. I’m just saying, it’s not up to us to decide their community.
As for the nobody is going to have legal issue in a niche platform, EVERY platform started as a niche platform. It’s only a matter of time before someone DOES care and has legal issue with it. I should know, I run TubeFree.org and had a DMCA request. So someone does care.
You’re on lemmy.world, if you disagree, why not move? Why not start your own? Be the bastion of speech you want to see.
Again, I’m advocating for the Fediverse. Anyone can build anything and I think we’re all stronger for it.
You’re on lemmy.world, if you disagree, why not move?
Because the Fediverse doesn’t have full portability for communities you’ve already grown before knowing Lemmy.world’s political biases, and the federation does not work very well either. Much content doesn’t get federated or has delayed federation. Most other instances also are still loose against Zionists.
My strategy is to stay on Lemmy profiting from the advantages, never give them a single dime of donation, and post anti-occupation content in my own community where I can remove genocide supporters.
I never cared about federation either. The reason I am on Lemmy is because of it being open source and easier to grow communities organically. Decentralized platforms still have the same issue: most people gravitate to the big instances which can easily defederate from smaller instances.
Touch grass.
“Many people are saying”
The many logical flaws present in this, along with spelling and grammar errors, makes me somewhat dubious as to the veracity of its claims.
“Free speech” instances want their right to speak to override anyone else’s right to not have to listen.
An authentic place to truly discuss matters sounds fantastic, but when one side calls for the actual irl murder of the other, somehow I doubt that any genuine discussion will be taking place. This is a known phenomena, called the Intolerance Paradox, which AN is fully aware of as it attempts to levy that charge against others, while simultaneously ignoring its implications applied to themselves.
spelling and grammar errors
This is an Ad Hominem attack. Spelling and grammatical do not make an argument irrelevant
An authentic place to truly discuss matters sounds fantastic, but when one side calls for the actual irl murder of the other,
The problem is not that they are banning people callingfor murdering people including people who believe in dangerous ideologies, as long as they don’t get involved in direct violence they shouldn’t be attacked.
The problem is that lemmy.world allow misinformation from Zionists on their instance which is against world own TOS like claiming most Palestinians left willingfully during the nekba which is denying the fact that Palestinian was ethnically cleansed from their land
This is an Ad Hominem attack. Spelling and grammatical do not make an argument irrelevant
Strawman: I never said that it did.
as long as they don’t get involved in direct violence they shouldn’t be attacked
How do you know that this did not happen, plus anyway it is not your call to make. Empathy demands that at least the tiniest amount of consideration be offered to the recipient of an assault. In this case the one threatened with literal irl murder of everyone on the entire team.
The problem is that lemmy.world allow misinformation
Then defederate from it, problem solved! Or ban as many communities on it as you wish (even preemptively, even/especially those you’ve never visited or even so much as heard of) - something that happens A TON already on db0 btw. On your own instance, you can do whatever you like. What you cannot do however is control whether others are forced to listen to your whinging. All you may do is offer up your content for consideration, but the rest is out of your control.
Strawman: I never said that it did.
You mentioned grammatical errors as if it is relevant in the pertinence of a statement
How do you know that this did not happen, plus anyway it is not your call to make. Empathy demands that at least the tiniest amount of consideration be offered to the recipient of an assault. In this case the one threatened with literal irl murder of everyone on the entire team.
A Zionist settler going to Arab neighborhood to kill or inflict severe damage on palestinians is what I am talking about. Palestinian has the right to resist by all means necessary
Then defederate from it, problem solved! Or ban as many communities on it as you wish (even preemptively, even/especially those you’ve never visited or even so much as heard of) - something that happens A TON already on db0 btw. On your own instance, you can do whatever you like. What you cannot do however is control whether others are forced to listen to your whinging. All you may do is offer up your content for consideration, but the rest is out of your control.
Ignoring a problem do not make a problem disappear and get solved . Why are you supporting neutrality against genocidal ideologies and defend the spreading of them?
Yo have 4 fallacies in a single paragraph. Red Herring, Straw Man, Fallacy of Composition and Tone Policing
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I understand your concern. Thank to everyone replying. Remember, be kind even if you disagree with admins team.
TL;DR
The issue was solved a week ago.
I don’t think the solution lie in defederation or stirring a conflict between mods, admins, developpers and instances. We have to work together somehow while keeping in mind the paradox of intolerance…we can chose our favorite community and instance.
And we will probably have to setup some guideline on defed, so it impact users the least possible way and avoid conflict between admins in most case.
Mr Kaplan acted quicky because he though it was the right thing to do. because he assumed that the AN’s admins were on the same page.
Unruffled, Tenchiken, MrKaplan shared together their issue one being the violent words from an admin and the other the brutal defed. They solved this issue.
We may not agree with the moderation choice and in this case there were not right answer.
We pointed out that the defed was overboard. That the words were violent. Both side were right.
Here is MY opinion. I don’t speak as piefed.social staff, nor admin from tarte. That’s just my thoughts.
The threadiverse is already a small community. What would happen if we defederate from X instance ? (For Hexbear, that’s another problem.)
Most users will leave and I’m not talking about us. I don’t think notech users are willing to subcribe to another instance again, again, again…
for newcomers that would be a terrible experience.
Let’s say you defed from lemmy.world. What would happen ? Our community may grow smaller, and smaller. Then diseapear because there is not enough contributors, because newcomers will think it is broken, that our softwares don’t work.
It is already hard to keep communities alive, it take us lot free time.
So i believe the solution is, for me, creating a charter on defederation. So we do things steps by steps, without walking on each other toes. And it won’t happen again. I thought about a discussion with lemmy.world admins’s team but that won’t be easy.
The Zionism
I’m not well versed in history, i just know that they wanted a country to protect themselve from violence, that’s their narrative. And it turned into something terrible, we have the right to critizism zionism.
However, in this case, that’s a grey area and those words came from an admin. That’s a sensible topic because being mod or admin may engage your instance’s values.
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Those words described very well the horror in Gaza. I don’t think the current genocide can be solved through peaceful means except if they remove Israel government. Israel wouldn’t continue if it wasn’t backed by USA and european countries. So i understand why we may use them.
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Calling to “murder <group>” won’t solve anything there. And it will backfire against us, it is condemned by most countries’s laws. When we are part of the moderation, we can face legal issue : being in prison or close our instance…
So, there is no right answer. MrKaplan did what is seemed right. We also expressed our concern on defederation and voiced our opinion. We listened to each other, altough we don’t completly agree. But we work together against racism, transphobia, violent word, spam, ia…
I don’t think the solution lie in defederation or stirring a conflict between us : mods, admins, developpers and instances. We have to work together somehow while keeping in mind the paradox of intolerance…
Lastly, you can chose your favorite community and instance. The one that fit you the most.
We can continue to critize Israel. But please, keep in mind that we can’t change the current events, we are not part of our government. It will work better in association, NGO than in the fediverse
We can act, organize strikes, support palestinian, send letters to our governments, repel far right and imperialism…and maybe the government will change. That’s all we can do.
I’m not well versed in history, i just know that they wanted a country to protect themselve from violence, that’s their narrative. And it turned into something terrible, we have the right to critizism zionism.
Israel has Herzl, the father of political Zionism, as the spiritual father of the State of Israel. In his writing, he advocated for removing Arabs from the land to create the state; that is ethnic cleansing. Zionism is a supremacist and genocidal ideology; there is no justification for it. Original leaders like Ben-Gurion also said the partition would be temporary and once they got enough power they would abolish it and expand to all of Palestine. So it didn’t “turn wrong”; it was always the plan to do the Nakba.
Those words described very well the horror in Gaza. I don’t think the current genocide can be solved through peaceful means except if they remove Israel government. Israel wouldn’t continue if it wasn’t backed by USA and european countries. So i understand why we may use them.
Every government supported colonialism, so the problem is the ideology running the State of Israel.
Calling to “murder <group>” won’t solve anything there. And it will backfire against us, it is condemned by most countries’s laws. When we are part of the moderation, we can face legal issue : being in prison or close our instance…
I agree
So, there is no right answer. MrKaplan did what is seemed right… But we work together against racism, transphobia, violent word, spam, ia…
The problem is that Lemmy.world and Lemmy generally allow Zionismwhich is a racist supremacist ideology to spread. So no, not everybody is working together against what you mentioned. Not to mention lemmy.ml supports Russian aggression.
I don’t think the solution lie in defederation or stirring a conflict between us : mods, admins, developpers and instances. We have to work together somehow while keeping in mind the paradox of intolerance
Well, dbzero mods talk about defederating only if lemmy.world does it first.
Lastly, you can chose your favorite community and instance. The one that fit you the most.
I think spreading dangerous ideologies is too serious to simply move on from the topic and pick a different instance.
We can continue to critize Israel. But please, keep in mind that we can’t change the current events, we are not part of our government. It will work better in association, NGO than in the fediverse
We can’t change the current events, but we need to learn from history. People mention Zionist atrocities because the same atrocities never stopped to this day. I think “criticize” is a weak word; it’s more like condemning Israel’s colonial policies and acting against them.
We can act, organize strikes, support palestinian, send letters to our governments, repel far right and imperialism…and maybe the government will change. That’s all we can do.
We can all do this and still not let Zionists get away with propaganda. We don’t want the Fediverse to become Twitter.
We can’t change the current events, but we need to learn from history. People mention Zionist atrocities because the same atrocities never stopped to this day.
I agree. We wouldn’t use those words if Israel stopped. Right now, i’m doubting we can learn from history. I’m fearing the worst for europe. It depress me. When i see the current geopolotical event, i afraid that we are condemned to watche this movie. Still there is place where i live peacefuly.
However, people won’t understand word against Zionism. My first comment here is the proof. Most of us don’t have the historical knowledge on Zionism and there is lot things to learn.
Do they know about Ben-Gurion ? Can they define Zionism ? Then imagine the reaction from outside people. They will be utterly shocked if they see those words.
Maybe among yourself you can understand those words because you share the same culture, know some part of History. But that’s not the case for everyone because mainstream media are bad about creating a good framework for debate and very bad at informing people. And when there is a new source of information, who tell the truth ? That’s our (yes, i include everyone) main source of knowledge.
So for me, if you want to convaince people that don’t know about zionism, you can’t write this sentence in your bio.
I think “criticize” is a weak word; it’s more like condemning Israel’s colonial policies and acting against them.
English is not my forte. Thank, i’m noting the difference between those two words.
English is not my forte. Thank, i’m noting the difference between those two words.
I am confused. The French translation of those words are similar to the English versions . To critisize is critiquer and to condemn is condamner
I agree. We wouldn’t use those words if Israel stopped. Right now, i’m doubting we can learn from history. I’m fearing the worst for europe. It depress me. When i see the current geopolotical event, i afraid that we are condemned to watche this movie. Still there is place where i live peacefuly. However, people won’t understand word against Zionism. My first comment here is the proof. Most of us don’t have the historical knowledge on Zionism and there is lot things to learn. Do they know about Ben-Gurion ? Can they define Zionism ? Then imagine the reaction from outside people. They will be utterly shocked if they see those words.
I mean lot of historian dedicated their lives to make our job easy to take a stand . We are not talking about elderly people that are still getting information from mainstream . It is easy to find all the information you need about zionism,the nekba and colonialism.
I am confused. The French translation of those words are similar to the English versions . To critisize is critiquer and to condemn is condamner
For me, they have an equal weight.
I mean lot of historian dedicated their lives to make our job easy to take a stand . We are not talking about elderly people that are still getting information from mainstream . It is easy to find all the information you need about zionism,the nekba and colonialism
We can’t assume that everyone know history even if we have lot informations. So we need to explain them. And it takes time to learn news things.
The threadiverse is already a small community. What would happen if we defederate from X instance ? (For Hexbear, that’s another problem.) Most users will leave and I’m not talking about us.
Partially true, particularly in the direction of defederation from LW that has something like 40% of Threadiverse users and iirc still the majority of the most highly active communities. But I want to point out the converse point that people (especially mainstream non-technical normal folks) are also leaving, citing as their reason why all the calls that they see for actual, irl murder of people. You said it yourself, Hexbear is a whole other problem, besides defederation from LW. So not defederating from instances (such as AN?) that ignores the considerations of the wider Fediverse is an even more destructive act than retaining federation.
Thus it is a balancing act, as the Paradox of Intolerance guides us: we want the absolute highest, maximum diversity of opinions, while stopping short of inclusion of those offerred in bad faith. And saying that you want to murder your debate opponent, rather than use your words to espouse the higher principles of your ideals and thereby potentially win the debate, as opposed to merely vomiting ones feelings upon the Fediverse community, especially against its wishes, definitely sounds to me like the epitome if bad faith? AN is entirely free to put out calls for actual, irl murder of the entire families of a fellow instance’s admin teams if they wish, but in that case why should the recipient instances be forced into platforming those, rather than be free to block them?
I don’t want yet another Hexbear in my feed, and I am tired of people telling me that I simply must put up with all the “free speech” that whoever - Elon Musk, Steve Huffman, Donald Trump, or whoever - wants to put in front of my eyes. It is not “unfair” to enforce previously announced rules - and calling for the actual irl murder of people seems to me to fall into that category?
I also note that PieFed offers the ability for a user to block an entire instance, whereas its technologically less-capable elder cousin Lemmy cannot keep up, thus necessitating full instance defederation not as the only possible option, but as the only one that the Lemmy software deigns to provide to new, non-technical normal people who want to view the Threadiverse, especially without an account, or soon thereafter before they learn to ignore all the toxicity coming from “certain instances”. This is precisely what the Paradox of Intolerance tells us (among other things): that their messages (calls for murder) get counted as our messages, when someone does not know how to tell the difference.
Partially true, particularly in the direction of defederation from LW that has something like 40% of Threadiverse users and iirc still the majority of the most highly active communities.
Yes because you compare lemmy.world among the threadiverse, you are right. However, i’m comparing us to mastodon, we are very very small. So both of us are right. Often the same users are animating communities and only mbin support the federation with mastodon. If we supported mastodon federation, i wouldn’t use the word small anymore. And there is the defed.
I’m guessing that notech user will chose the largest instance because they have no idea about federation. They just want the same experience from reddit, that’s where most of our new users come from. Then later, once they learn how it works, they chose their favorite communities and instance.
For Hexbear, that’s a different problem. They raided our instance jlai.lu twice. They told us we deserved “a thousand charlie hebdo” (that was related to an event in France where terrorists killed journalists) and that we were nazis.
For me, in this case, there was no good answer. Because it was adressed against Israel. When someone want to kill you for ideological purpose, the last thing you want to is keeping them alive because your own survival is at stack. That’s where there is a grey area. Usually, we prefer justice without death penalities but i believe that there are situations where peaceful solution aren’t possible. And that’s the sad part, we used every diplomacy solution possible.
This is precisely what the Paradox of Intolerance tells us (among other things): that their messages (calls for murder) get counted as our messages, when someone does not know how to tell the difference
I agree, they won’t be able to tell the difference between users, instances especially from an admin and they probably won’t understand the above reasoning i did. So they will probably avoid us and leave.
Fwiw, severe concerns about human rights violations on Lemmy predate the very existence of Lemmy.world - yet somehow the pro-authoritarian, “free speech” advocates of AN are attacking LW rather than ML?
It is not a theoretical concern that the top thing that people think of when they discuss Lemmy… well actually it’s our overall lack of content, plus generally worse UI (this one I believe has been fixed since then), plus difficulty of understanding it, but also it’s our toxic userbase - which in no small measure also affects why we have so few users willing to remain active here. There are only so many calls for oneself to be murdered that someone is willing to take, before they nope right out and simply leave. Or at least lurk for answers to their questions but decide not to participate, seeing little value in exposing themselves to the onslaught that would result from making themselves vulnerable to such.
MrKaplan did not act quickly because he thought it was the right thing to do.
MrKaplan went looking for a context to ban A.N after he banned me for calling LWs parent company Zionist National Socialists and in return got banned by A.N.
He went out of his way to manufacture a flimsy casus beli by trying to frame it as a personal death threat against himself. It was beyond pathetic.
I’ve been using PieFed without .world since getting banned, and I must say the experience is surprisingly good. It’s so much less toxic, and I’m finding fewer political shit takes defending genocide.
I’m not Kaplan but maybe that’s my own naívety, but from what i see, it wasn’t a context to ban AN.
For me, he probably tought if the admins from AN accept those violent words, the instance probably do the same and it may endup in a toxic culture.
He went out of his way to manufacture a flimsy casus beli by trying to frame it as a personal death threat against himself. It was beyond pathetic.
We could also consider it as our personal death threat. How ? In 1789, there was a french revolution followed by the terror period where revolutionaries where guilotinned. Olympe de Gouges was guilotinned. Maybe that’s not a good example, but what i wanted to show you is that thoses words directed against zionism can backfire and threat us once outside the scope of zionism.
Let’s go back to LW. Maybe the problem is their governance and the way they decide ? I’m not well versed on LW moderation’s actions and don’t know them well.
I just know that being the biggest instance and moderating is a huge task and i saw that they do their best in threadiverse defence. They handle lot reports. I wouldn’t have the same mindset if i was in LW moderation team.
For me, their instance is too big and create an unbalance in decision making. That one of the reason we moved to jlai.lu. So i think that’s where we can improve and balance our governance. That’s why we created this community c/fediverse.
The second problem would be the moderation team ?
It’s very difficult to follow what happen elsewhere. I just know my own moderation team.
Occasionaly, i talk about post and how to act, i’m always podering the impact of my actions and what message i want to convey. But if i was in LW moderation, i don’t think i would be able to do thing like i usualy do. I value a lot discussion instead of moderating tools as ban, delete, purge.
In this community, i’m resposible of creating an ambiance where we can share our ideas, opinions.
Like this post where i was pondering if i should delete it because it brings lot tensions, conflicts and i was afraid that it would sour our experience. I talked briefly to mods and decided it was better to give you a space and intervene by sharing both point of view.
In fact, neither of you is wrong.
I hardly post politic in english communities. Most of my time is animating french communities. I love them, they are chill, fun to talk and we enjoy those moments online. I hope they also do enjoy those moments. :3
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A bit offtopic, but makes me wonder:
db0 feels to me like a weird psyop, or simply someone’s trying to promote their store (check out dbzer0.com)
They are very pro-AI and remove comments critical of it swiftly and without explanation.I’m not saying that their claims about .world are inherently false. As I said, it’s offtopic but current campaign championed by that instance made me scratch my head even more.
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you should read their rules on genAI :)
I just want to point out that you are calling a blog and patreon link on it a “store”.
Talk about weird.
They are very pro-AI and remove comments critical of it swiftly and without explanation.
This is explained as part of the instance rules. I’d recommend reading them.
The head scratcher for me is this entire comment by you.
Bullshit, nothing in their rules says that you can’t criticize “AI”.
Youre right, I wonder why I remember seeing it… Maybe it was a proposal when “fuck ai” people were brigading ai comms (as an ai friendly instance, obv a no no).
But yes, youre right, I misremembered.
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Eh, I’ll go ahead and disagree for two reasons.
One, brigading is just shitty.
Two, what most people complain about with AI boils down to corporate AI, not the technology itself.
Either way though, not really relevant to the post.
I appreciate your reply. Yes, brigading sucks. But for someone whose first interaction with that instance was writing a comment that said something like “Using slop is as far from anarchism as possible” and getting it removed within a minute with no comment felt fishy.
Sounds like a comm rule got broken with an active mod, or your comment timed well with a brigade, which was happening pretty often for a bit there.
I can definitely see that being frustrating
I’ve noticed this a lot, people randomly accusing anything leftist of being a psyop because it doesn’t fit their right wing view of the world.
Like this is such a completely bullshit claim, there is no store on dbzer0, it’s literally just a programmers blog with some random projects they’ve done.
I’m saying that your claims about .dbzer0 are inherently false.
Right, using fashtech in every post is soo fucking leftist.
Using self-hosted technology that flaunts corporate IP laws and infringes on their characters and branding without giving them a cent is extremely fucking leftist.
Screenshots of the various actions you reference would be useful. Receipts. I’m familiar with the administration patterns of world and the recent drama between world and anarchist.nexus, but you can’t assume everyone is.
Also it is critical to note that “preemptive” defederation is not what dbzer0 and anarchist.nexus are calling for right now. They are simply calling for support from other instances to agree that if and only if world defeds them again, other instances would defed world in response.
Lastly, dbzer0 may be anarchist and run democratically, but it is not a free speech instance. Zionism
and electorialism(edit: db0 clarified on this) will get you banned from dbzer0.Not electoralism. /0 is an outreach instance, so we allow space for discussion. Some specific anarchist comms have hard anti-electoralist rules to prevent constant arguments, but it’s not an instance-wide rule.
Thanks for the clarification, good to know! I’ll edit my comment.
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Why are feddit.org users browsing Nazi sites? 🤔
LLMs are definitely pro-humanity /s The Hexbear Double Standard section is fully hallucinated bullshit: .world has defederated then before Hexbear turned federation on again.
ideological cleansing
Of course subreddits are humans. Just like corporations.
LLMs are definitely pro-humanity
More pro humanity then a genocidal ideology called Zionism
OP might have meant that even HB did not defed from AN?
Which is a logical fallacy, to assume that we know the reason why HB does anything - the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Plus, obviously it is lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml that are the pro-authoritarian ones, whereas HBears famously troll even their own so hard that they can barely keep the place running (once they even lost their domain name) - a beacon of sanity that place is NOT (so OP: hey let’s be moar like them!?).
OP does not mean. OP has used LLM and LLM’d txts have no meaning
To be fair. It is a lemmy problem not a lemmy.world problem. DBzero is the only instance oppenly anti zionism and settler colonialism in general
