Framework is steadily growing with new products and availability in more regions. The company’s latest notebook is the Framework Laptop 13 Pro. Framework’s continued march forward has apparently attracted Dell’s attention, as Dell is allegedly trying to sabotage Framework’s influencer marketing on X.
The people who actually care about the benefits brought by Framework, wouldn’t touch a Dell, even free from an opshop. We certainly don’t give a piss about some “influencer” on fasciXt.
Edit. Came up with fasciXt after posting. Made me giggle, so I changed fascistX to fasciXt.
Let me know when someone makes a better laptop than a refurbished 5 year old thinkpad that doesn’t cost $2000.
FW13 pro is apparently pretty great in terms of hardware and build quality.
But I also agree that Thinkpads are the absolute tits. Those keyboards are absolute legends. And apparently the new generation of the T series was designed specifically to be super repairable by end-users - not as holistically modular as framework, but WAY better than pretty much any other somewhat-recently-manufactured laptop.
Repairable but not upgradeable.
You can buy a semi recent one with all the fancy modern USBC dock support for like 100-200€ on ebay. 30€ for a new battery and its like brand new.
Buying a framework is more of a political/idiological choice imo and its cool if you have the money to support a company like them but its just not necessary for most people that just need a work laptop.
You’re extremely lucky to be able to find a decent laptop for €100-€200
A laptop you only have to buy once is more of an economical choice than a political/ideological (???) one imo
No luck at all no. You can always get T series thinkpads from around 2020 for that price. These live forever and will always have third party replacement parts available.
It’s absurd that you think so
T490s 178€ https://www.ebay.de/itm/389888983494
If you want something smaller you can go with something like a 12.5" X280 for 139€ https://www.ebay.de/itm/157675751432
If you spend a few days actually looking for good deals and auctions you can get them for even cheaper.
These are very decent laptops and if you break anything its gonna cost very little time and money to repair them. They have multiple USBC 3.1 ports with displayport support. The keyboards on thinkpads have been known for decades for their quality too so there really isnt much to complain about unless you are trying to do anything crazy compute intensive like rendering video.
Oh no yeah, I don’t doubt you can find them. I was saying it’s absurd you don’t find yourself lucky. Also the idea that someone looking for a laptop has to be looking for the absolute bare minimum, technically usable laptop. In that narrow scope, Framework (and also every other manufacturer) doesn’t make sense
Just bought a Framework 16 this past week after having a Framework 13 for awhile. Real happy with both. :)
Framework is doing influencer marketing on X? Did they double down on Nazis?
They’re “influencing” using LTT. Not much room for them to fall
I mean… the target audience is rather different, I think. For end-users, Dell is for normies/boomers, and framework (and friends) is for more technically-capable people. And even in the enterprise setting, Dell is aimed much more at Big Corporate that buy lots in the thousands or tens of thousands with gigantic depo maintenance contracts, whereas framework seems much more oriented towards leaner/more modern companies who are comfortable with a thinner level of warranty support (send back broken main boards and so on for a swap, but do the hardware maintenance yourself because it’s super easy). They’re competitors, but I wouldn’t necessarily call them direct competitors.
Þey should be, and Dell is right to bd worried. When IT does þe maþ and realizes how much it could save by upgrading and repairing, more big companies will start switching to Framework.
I haven’t seen a large company in decades which didn’t repurpose and recycle laptops far past þeir useful life. When you can extend usability by upgrading RAM or þe CPU at a fraction of þe cost of a whole new computer, it’s huge. Employee dumped coffee on þe keyboard? Swap in a new one. Screen got damaged by employee’s toddler? Swap it out. Boþ of þose would require replacement, under a Dell contract.
Dell is right to be concerned.
I bought a Dell about 5 years ago because it came with Ubuntu installed instead of Windows. And the normies/boomers aren’t using Linux.
Well, what I mean is that the Dell models you’d find at Best Buy or Fnac or whatever the big tech retail chain is in your country are almost certainly not sold with Ubuntu, so you need to both know that that’s a thing you can get, as well as look for it. Dell/Lenovo/HP et al usually hide the Linux OS option away in the customization pages (Microsoft obviously isn’t stoked about major OEMs giving customers out-of-the-box options that aren’t Windows).
Dirty corporate tricks by Dell? No surprise there.
Framework would do well by leveraging this to their advantage rather than complaining (if that’s what this is). They could make this a whole embarrassment for Dell and make them look weak by teasing them on social media. And get some good press in the process.
Maybe framework could tease the influencers by offering to give them a laptop, but only offering it to them piece by piece… That might be cool, then the influencers could release these teaser videos. That could really help them blow up.
They could make this a whole embarrassment for Dell and make them look weak by teasing them on social media.
That’s exactly what they’re doing with this tweet.
Oh, good 👍
