Like, I kinda disagree that the only point of left unity is “if we had it, the revolution would happen”. If you’re setting up a kitchen for feeding homeless people on Thursday nights or something, you’re not helped by burning every single bridge and are helped by having some spaces where disparate groups of 5 leftists at least talk to each other without airing their grievances about something Stalin did in 1928. This goes for setting up protests, or really any activity that involves more than 5 leftists. And within those spaces people will wander back and forth between groups on theoretical stuff and personal beefs and just time availability. Focusing on just “will this bring forth the revolution” is… idk, it probably leads to not doing very much.
(I agree with the point that left unity spaces or lack thereof is what is standing between us and “the revolution”)
I’m largely talking about how it appears on this website and how I see it on the ground in my local area. Thus far, no one has suggested that all the trots, anarchists, MLs get together on the ground in my area, though they periodically try to recruit members from each other. Which, sure, I guess is tactical. I don’t think I’ve actually seen very much of what emizeko is suggesting compared to what I’m talking about.
Thus far, no one has suggested that all the trots, anarchists, MLs get together on the ground in my area,
What does “get together” mean? How does it address organizational, structural, ideological, strategic, and tactical differences between different factions?
If you simply mean “talk to each other without spitting in each others faces” that already happens more than plenty among the more mature members of different factions thatve been in the game for long enough.
I don’t know, I’ll leave figuring out that stuff to people actually seriously suggesting it and people seriously arguing against it. When I hear “left unity” I think of the second thing.
How the fuck i can get together with people who called up pigs on my comrades and then proceeded to lick fascist monuments? Or with terminally online scribblers who call me “fascist”? Or with other terminally online scribblers which will call me “gauchist” whatever that means (but with the same emphasis as inquisitor use the word “heresy”) and then let out a long rants of USSR bad, solidarność good, plus entire trove of 50’s Mccarthyst propaganda they internalized who knows where and when.
Like, I kinda disagree that the only point of left unity is “if we had it, the revolution would happen”. If you’re setting up a kitchen for feeding homeless people on Thursday nights or something, you’re not helped by burning every single bridge and are helped by having some spaces where disparate groups of 5 leftists at least talk to each other without airing their grievances about something Stalin did in 1928. This goes for setting up protests, or really any activity that involves more than 5 leftists. And within those spaces people will wander back and forth between groups on theoretical stuff and personal beefs and just time availability. Focusing on just “will this bring forth the revolution” is… idk, it probably leads to not doing very much.
(I agree with the point that left unity spaces or lack thereof is what is standing between us and “the revolution”)
What @emizeko@hexbear.net is talking about is ideological and organizational unity.
What you are talking about is tactical unity.
Those are two different things that at times may intersect at times, and at other times run separate from each other
I’m largely talking about how it appears on this website and how I see it on the ground in my local area. Thus far, no one has suggested that all the trots, anarchists, MLs get together on the ground in my area, though they periodically try to recruit members from each other. Which, sure, I guess is tactical. I don’t think I’ve actually seen very much of what emizeko is suggesting compared to what I’m talking about.
What does “get together” mean? How does it address organizational, structural, ideological, strategic, and tactical differences between different factions?
If you simply mean “talk to each other without spitting in each others faces” that already happens more than plenty among the more mature members of different factions thatve been in the game for long enough.
I don’t know, I’ll leave figuring out that stuff to people actually seriously suggesting it and people seriously arguing against it. When I hear “left unity” I think of the second thing.
Okay thats fair enough
How the fuck i can get together with people who called up pigs on my comrades and then proceeded to lick fascist monuments? Or with terminally online scribblers who call me “fascist”? Or with other terminally online scribblers which will call me “gauchist” whatever that means (but with the same emphasis as inquisitor use the word “heresy”) and then let out a long rants of USSR bad, solidarność good, plus entire trove of 50’s Mccarthyst propaganda they internalized who knows where and when.