Anti-communism has always been a reaction to communism (leftist movements broadly).
Anyone who unironically uses the word tankie… ever… is immediately written off in my book. They’re terminally online and have never read anything, never thought about anything seriously, they’re useful idiots for fascists at best and, a lot of times, just fascists.
I feel like they think I’m being hyperbolic or forcing a false dichotomy, but, no, if you self-label as anti-communist that’s basically the same as modern day “all lives matter” people which was a right wing, reactionary, movement against the movement for justice for black people in the US. There is a movement which is objectively on the side of people, justice, etc. and there is a reaction to that movement. Just how it goes. If you identify on the reactionary side… well, there you go. Not sure why this is so complicated for the “bBUT TANKIES” dipshits.
If they use it to mean “person who doesn’t get bogged down in stupid details over the USSR (or China) just for the sake of hating a communist country” then fine. I don’t care. It just gets old seeing it used as “person left of me, which means they’re bad” by the most historically illiterate motherfuckers on the planet. The kind of fuckers who say they want socialism and then cry every time someone protests in a street. Do you see what I mean? It’s not the word, I don’t care in the end. I get like a death threat per day from random Nazis who (ironically) call me antisemitic for criticizing Israel. I’ll take tankie over that, given the choice. But it’s worth acknowledging the people calling me or us or whoever “tankie” are absolutely just the dumbest fuckers online. That’s all.
This one seems a little less dumb than most. I think they’re close to connecting the dots. They seem to realise that something is deeply wrong with their worldview and it is making them very angry so they’re lashing out at what they perceive to be the cause (“Tankies” ruining socialism). I don’t think I was too clear with them, certainly not patient enough, but I do hope they listen anyway.
Yeah, I don’t think they will come away from this with anything other than “redfash tankies hate the truth! I owned them so hard!” But I think this will be another straw on the camel’s back, not the one that breaks it, but will add to the load of doubts their have about their worldview.
“Tankie” is used by liberals and left anti-communists to defame & differentiate themselves from principled communists, and really from anyone who defends AES states. That use is cringe and outs the person saying it as an absolute tool who shouldn’t be taken seriously.
I have no problem calling myself a tankie though. Sending tanks to kill fascists is good. Every tankie should be awarded their own tank.
Or, to put it another way: socialism has powerful enemies. Those enemies don’t care how you feel about Marx or Makhno or Deleuze or communism in the abstract, they care about your feelings towards FARC, the Naxals, Cuba, North Korea, etc. They care about your position with respect to states and contenders-for-statehood, and how likely you are to try and emulate them. They are not worried about the molecular and the rhizomatic because they know that those things can be brought back into line by the application of force. It’s their monopoly on force that they are primarily concerned to protect. When you desert real socialism in favor of ideal socialism, the kind that never took up arms against anybody, you’re doing them a favor.
They’re terminally online and have never read anything, never thought about anything seriously, they’re useful idiots for fascists at best and, a lot of times, just fascists.
Most self aware tankie.
, if you self-label as anti-communist
Anti-tankie ≠ anti-communist
Tankies aren’t communists, that’s why I’m against them.
EDIT: I didn’t realise this was a Lemmygrad community. No wonder y’all fascists are calling me a liberal despite me being a communist, I was confused for a second.
Bro, wtf is a tankie if not a communist? You’re just out here making up bullshit. I want a definition!
I’ve been led to believe “tankie” was referring to fans of the USSR, which, I suppose if you wanna be annoying, one could argue “weren’t communists.” But you didn’t do that. You didn’t say “Stalin betrayed Marxist Leninism” or whatever. I could assume that’s what you meant, but I’d rather read it from you.
It’s starting to feel like, to me, that tankie just means “someone more left than me, and that makes me angry!” Because I can say who isn’t calling people tankies. That would be Marxists of whatever variety. I can also say who does seem to be using that word all the time… socdems, liberals, sometimes outright fascists. It definitely seems to be the bludgeon of liberals who fancy themselves to be socialists though. I’m going to include most leftist anarchists under the umbrella of liberal because that’s just how I roll. Like a big ol’ tank.
Supporting capitalism is not equivalent to supporting the US. China and Russia are capitalist countries, and plenty of tankies will defend them tooth and nail, for example here or on Hexbear. They even claim Russia is defending Ukraine against US imperialism.
Just go to any community on Hexbear, type a comment saying Russia is not communist, and enjoy your ban.
Why would I waste time making complex responses to someone who thinks communists are liberals if they don’t praise capitalist dictatorships? Tankies completely lack political culture, like all right wingers. It’s a miracle they can read at all.
We know you aren’t “wasting time” because you don’t have any arguments, just thought terminating cliches. I’m really hoping you’re just an edgy 14 year old and not a grown adult, because this is just sad.
Bruh, people here are calling communists and anarchists “liberals”. How do I even argue with dumb shit like this? Fascists can’t be reasoned with, whether they like the 3rd Reich or the DPRK.
They’re not calling communists and anarchists liberals, they’re calling liberals liberals. Fascism doesn’t mean “people I don’t agree with” words actually mean things. You’d know this, if you weren’t a liberal, even if you don’t think you are one. Conservatives are liberals too, as liberalism is the dominant political idea in the west.
You might “believe” in it, but what actions have you done to accomplish it? How do you intend to go about it? Peacefully, I’m assuming? Because to use violence is authoritarian redfash tankie, yes?
So I want you to ask your landlord nicely and peacefully, to give up their property, entirely without violence, see how that goes, just convince them it’s wrong, that’ll work, right? They just don’t know that it’s a bad thing! We “tankies” don’t like violence, but we recognize it as an unfortunate necessity to help the struggling and the downtrodden.
Or is this not about that? Is this about evil authoritarians like Stalin and Mao? I’m assuming you’re a yank, or at least live in the west. You’ve grown up in a capitalist education system. Where did you learn that these people are bad? Which group of people ensures that every student in the west learns that these people are bad? Don’t you think the capitalists would have a vested interest in trying to convince people that any alternative to capitalism is even worse than it? Could it be that the things you’ve heard about “communist dictators” are just lies?
Don’t know why I’m wasting my time to be honest. I hope you’ll think on this, but I know you won’t. Smug ignorance is far more comfortable than challenging your pre-concieved notions.
Anti-communism has always been a reaction to communism (leftist movements broadly).
Anyone who unironically uses the word tankie… ever… is immediately written off in my book. They’re terminally online and have never read anything, never thought about anything seriously, they’re useful idiots for fascists at best and, a lot of times, just fascists.
I feel like they think I’m being hyperbolic or forcing a false dichotomy, but, no, if you self-label as anti-communist that’s basically the same as modern day “all lives matter” people which was a right wing, reactionary, movement against the movement for justice for black people in the US. There is a movement which is objectively on the side of people, justice, etc. and there is a reaction to that movement. Just how it goes. If you identify on the reactionary side… well, there you go. Not sure why this is so complicated for the “bBUT TANKIES” dipshits.
Meh, I’ve embraced the term tankie I don’t think it’s that bad. Only terminally online people really care about a meaningless term.
If they use it to mean “person who doesn’t get bogged down in stupid details over the USSR (or China) just for the sake of hating a communist country” then fine. I don’t care. It just gets old seeing it used as “person left of me, which means they’re bad” by the most historically illiterate motherfuckers on the planet. The kind of fuckers who say they want socialism and then cry every time someone protests in a street. Do you see what I mean? It’s not the word, I don’t care in the end. I get like a death threat per day from random Nazis who (ironically) call me antisemitic for criticizing Israel. I’ll take tankie over that, given the choice. But it’s worth acknowledging the people calling me or us or whoever “tankie” are absolutely just the dumbest fuckers online. That’s all.
Lmao you said that and one appeared soon after.
This one seems a little less dumb than most. I think they’re close to connecting the dots. They seem to realise that something is deeply wrong with their worldview and it is making them very angry so they’re lashing out at what they perceive to be the cause (“Tankies” ruining socialism). I don’t think I was too clear with them, certainly not patient enough, but I do hope they listen anyway.
Well indeed we can hope, though i wouldn’t hope too much, i seen that pattern ending with doubledown enough times to
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Yeah, I don’t think they will come away from this with anything other than “redfash tankies hate the truth! I owned them so hard!” But I think this will be another straw on the camel’s back, not the one that breaks it, but will add to the load of doubts their have about their worldview.
If I put the cheese out too obviously the mouse will know what I am doing
But if I eat some cheese in the corner and, “oppsie” drop a small piece in a sticky trap area… I might just awaken to an angry mouse chirping at me.
“Tankie” is used by liberals and left anti-communists to defame & differentiate themselves from principled communists, and really from anyone who defends AES states. That use is cringe and outs the person saying it as an absolute tool who shouldn’t be taken seriously.
I have no problem calling myself a tankie though. Sending tanks to kill fascists is good. Every tankie should be awarded their own tank.
Same. I think we need to expropriate the term from the lib/fash.
Most self aware tankie.
Anti-tankie ≠ anti-communist
Tankies aren’t communists, that’s why I’m against them.
EDIT: I didn’t realise this was a Lemmygrad community. No wonder y’all fascists are calling me a liberal despite me being a communist, I was confused for a second.
Bro, wtf is a tankie if not a communist? You’re just out here making up bullshit. I want a definition!
I’ve been led to believe “tankie” was referring to fans of the USSR, which, I suppose if you wanna be annoying, one could argue “weren’t communists.” But you didn’t do that. You didn’t say “Stalin betrayed Marxist Leninism” or whatever. I could assume that’s what you meant, but I’d rather read it from you.
It’s starting to feel like, to me, that tankie just means “someone more left than me, and that makes me angry!” Because I can say who isn’t calling people tankies. That would be Marxists of whatever variety. I can also say who does seem to be using that word all the time… socdems, liberals, sometimes outright fascists. It definitely seems to be the bludgeon of liberals who fancy themselves to be socialists though. I’m going to include most leftist anarchists under the umbrella of liberal because that’s just how I roll. Like a big ol’ tank.
Most politically literate tankie.
Tankies aren’t communists. They simp for capitalist dictatorships.
Funny, because that’s how I feel about “liberal” whenever a tankie (i.e. a fascist) calls me one despite me being a communist.
give (1) example of a country existing today that meets your defintiion of communism
None. Communism is no private property, no money, no classes, maybe no state.
You? A communist? Name all AES.
AES-128, AES-192, AES-256
You still haven’t given an example of wtf you’re talking about.
Who the fuck are these mysterious (assumedly) pro-Stalin, pro-USSR, etc. “tankies” who ALSO are pro-USA/pro-capitalism?
Just give a name! Find a person in history or today and type their name into your text box and hit send. Is this asking a lot?
Supporting capitalism is not equivalent to supporting the US. China and Russia are capitalist countries, and plenty of tankies will defend them tooth and nail, for example here or on Hexbear. They even claim Russia is defending Ukraine against US imperialism.
Just go to any community on Hexbear, type a comment saying Russia is not communist, and enjoy your ban.
Lmao this is exactly how libs argue, a bunch of quotes with snappy responses but nothing of substance to make a valid argument.
Why would I waste time making complex responses to someone who thinks communists are liberals if they don’t praise capitalist dictatorships? Tankies completely lack political culture, like all right wingers. It’s a miracle they can read at all.
We know you aren’t “wasting time” because you don’t have any arguments, just thought terminating cliches. I’m really hoping you’re just an edgy 14 year old and not a grown adult, because this is just sad.
Bruh, people here are calling communists and anarchists “liberals”. How do I even argue with dumb shit like this? Fascists can’t be reasoned with, whether they like the 3rd Reich or the DPRK.
They’re not calling communists and anarchists liberals, they’re calling liberals liberals. Fascism doesn’t mean “people I don’t agree with” words actually mean things. You’d know this, if you weren’t a liberal, even if you don’t think you are one. Conservatives are liberals too, as liberalism is the dominant political idea in the west.
Liberal doesn’t mean “someone who believes in the abolition of private property”, words actually mean things.
You might “believe” in it, but what actions have you done to accomplish it? How do you intend to go about it? Peacefully, I’m assuming? Because to use violence is authoritarian redfash tankie, yes?
So I want you to ask your landlord nicely and peacefully, to give up their property, entirely without violence, see how that goes, just convince them it’s wrong, that’ll work, right? They just don’t know that it’s a bad thing! We “tankies” don’t like violence, but we recognize it as an unfortunate necessity to help the struggling and the downtrodden.
Or is this not about that? Is this about evil authoritarians like Stalin and Mao? I’m assuming you’re a yank, or at least live in the west. You’ve grown up in a capitalist education system. Where did you learn that these people are bad? Which group of people ensures that every student in the west learns that these people are bad? Don’t you think the capitalists would have a vested interest in trying to convince people that any alternative to capitalism is even worse than it? Could it be that the things you’ve heard about “communist dictators” are just lies?
Don’t know why I’m wasting my time to be honest. I hope you’ll think on this, but I know you won’t. Smug ignorance is far more comfortable than challenging your pre-concieved notions.
Ew, a redditor.