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The Picard Maneuver@piefed.world to Funny: Home of the Haha@lemmy.worldEnglish · 13 days ago

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    13 days ago

    You ignored that the studies were all for different allergies… so you can’t just take 4 “nos” and 1 “yes” as a no for all.

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      The studies in that mini-review did not investigate different allergies. They each focused on different symptoms; either skin inflammation or mucosa inflammation (conjunctiva, nose, sinuses). The allergen responsible was not characterized.

      The only paper that looked at a specific allergy is the one I cited.

      I could also cite multiple studies showing that use of bee products can make allergies worse.

      https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/26/24/12074

      https://www.jacionline.org/article/0091-6749(79)90143-X/pdf

      https://www.jabfm.org/content/jabfp/7/3/250.full.pdf

      https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/48090614/j.aller.2009.12.00320160816-9724-1n7hmnh-libre.pdf?1471351425=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DBee_pollen_a_dangerous_food_for_allergic.pdf&Expires=1771343622&Signature=QwHfgQ54yFKvSmv6fCWbdNP~QonKSLfnQIL4xf1CC1UAr3vgnO0PrSFd~kaDcgQPIWIjSf8Ljv8ln8~KHFUefmo5NA28rAY6-rAs7gL3wTvoixaFwYtzQFZet2QFlc16CdlZE6qXk5o7tBnrKDz9IDTFiCjnXvs~NdmpDdwmoNeYNy5T8KQpL1dXvXOp6UsnWN0RmFMfL5drkKkzEgUI9M1s~trmlnwWirH4zyzszHndreMJz651ZAJADzkKvxyD9XmLgIIqtFU4zqyb0R4kH~ucgBIgAqIN2uogmmIbeT2J~8dgmxrSZ4qhyvVGLXou7dj6Mf2pzK4~SXKe1Jqs~g__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA

      There are more, too.

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        They literally did study different allergies. Are you just looking at some other paper than the one I linked? They literally have a column that states the allergic diseases that they studied.

        You seem to be talking about specific allergens which I never said.

        Allergies tested:

        • Atopic Dermatitis
        • Allergic rhinitis
        • Allergic Fungal Rhinosinusitis
        • Allergic rhinoconjunctivitis
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          This may just be a language thing. Those aren’t allergies to me, they are symptoms of allergies.

          To me, allergies are things like a peanut allergy, penicillin allergy, latex allergy, etc.

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            The paper calls them allergies, and has a column for them. I’m going to go with what the scientists say.

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              The paper literally doesnt call them allergies. It says “allergic disease”, which is an effect (i.e., symptom) of an allergy.

              http://www.columbia.edu/itc/hs/medical/pathophys/immunology/2004/misc/articles/NEJM_allergy_aller_dis_02.pdf

              And like I mentioned before, 4/5 of those studies dont show an improvement due to honey over a control group. The fifth study, I can access, but it doesnt even have a control, and it’s not testing just honey, anyway.

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