Fuck that. Anti Zionism isn’t antisemitism. Israel is a fascist state with no right to exist. Anyone who associates that fascist state to Jewishness is the true antisemite
Anti Zionism isn’t antisemitism. Israel is a fascist state with no right to exist.
This is antisemitism on two counts.
The reason is because you are singling out the only Jewish state as being uniquely lacking legitimacy as a state, and therefore Jews as the only people on this planet who don’t have the right of self-determination. Antizionism would be to call for the destruction of Israel, which is also antisemitic.
Comparing the only Jewish state to the very regime which murdered more than 6,000,000 Jews is an antisemitic comparison and designed to hurt Jews.
by your logic, disagreeing with any form of theocracy/ethnostate is hate towards the religious/ethnic groups
also, previously being the victims don’t change the ability to be the perpetrator later on.
but it’s good to know that anti-Nazi was just racism against Germans, and that historically victimized groups have cart blanch to commit genocide (please ignore the whole justification the Nazis had where they perceived themselves as some form of victims)
Israel isn’t a synonym for “Jew”, then again I wouldn’t take an organization’s claim on this if they assisted Israel in defrauding actual holocaust survivors of the reparation payments they are/were due, instead funneling it into “the proper jews”
I would guess : ones that disposess the inhabitants for their own gain and then corral the remainders in open air prisons while stripping them of their rights of self determination. Any other state like that would be highly suspect. I think if Russia annexed Ukraine and then walled them in and controlled their electricity, food and everyday freedom, then that would count.
All that said, while I think the state of Israel should never have been created in the first place, I absolutely do not agree on the idea of removing the existing state. That would be to visit upon the people of Israel the same horror they visited on the Palestinians. You can’t deplore Israel’s genocidal behavior then wish the same for them
ones that disposess the inhabitants for their own gain and then corral the remainders in open air prisons while stripping them of their rights of self determination.
Gaza isn’t part of Israel and Gazans are not Israeli citizens
I absolutely think states can improve their legitimacy. Israel could work with Palestine in good faith toward a two state solution. There’s always a path forward. See south africa, northern Ireland, Germany in the cold war etc
And yet you see the celebration of support for someone saying that “Israel has no right to exist.” Although there are some people who believe all national boarders should be abolished, somehow I don’t think that’s what the poster intended. Calling for the destruction of an entire nation of people sounds pretty bigoted to me. If it’s not anti-semitism, then we’re just splitting hairs. It makes it hard to speak out against the actions of Israel alongside people who are calling for Jewish genocide and being cheered on by those around them.
There is no possible world in which the disestablishment of the state of Israel does not lead to the deaths of millions of Jews. If you want to advocate for the abolition of Israel, you need to accept that and own the consequences.
No. But look if you want to be hysterical and put words in people’s mouths you do you. But you’ll have to excuse me if I bow out of the conversation. I’m happy to answer for my own words but not those others imagine
Fuck that. Anti Zionism isn’t antisemitism. Israel is a fascist state with no right to exist. Anyone who associates that fascist state to Jewishness is the true antisemite
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Eight in ten British Jews consider themselves to be a Zionist. Only six percent do not.
This is antisemitism on two counts.
by your logic, disagreeing with any form of theocracy/ethnostate is hate towards the religious/ethnic groups also, previously being the victims don’t change the ability to be the perpetrator later on.
but it’s good to know that anti-Nazi was just racism against Germans, and that historically victimized groups have cart blanch to commit genocide (please ignore the whole justification the Nazis had where they perceived themselves as some form of victims)
Even in the same comment you still can’t help but make antisemitic comparisons between Israeli Jews and Hitler! This is beyond parody
that’s not antisemitic
Comparing Israel to Hitler or Nazi Germany is antisemitic. Glad to clear that up for you.
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism
no, it’s not
Israel isn’t a synonym for “Jew”, then again I wouldn’t take an organization’s claim on this if they assisted Israel in defrauding actual holocaust survivors of the reparation payments they are/were due, instead funneling it into “the proper jews”
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Which other nations have no right to exist? Or is it just Israel?
I would guess : ones that disposess the inhabitants for their own gain and then corral the remainders in open air prisons while stripping them of their rights of self determination. Any other state like that would be highly suspect. I think if Russia annexed Ukraine and then walled them in and controlled their electricity, food and everyday freedom, then that would count. All that said, while I think the state of Israel should never have been created in the first place, I absolutely do not agree on the idea of removing the existing state. That would be to visit upon the people of Israel the same horror they visited on the Palestinians. You can’t deplore Israel’s genocidal behavior then wish the same for them
Gaza isn’t part of Israel and Gazans are not Israeli citizens
It’s an occupied territory.
Agreed?
this only makes it worse, as Israel has defeacto control over the region, same thing with the west bank.
Is it possible to regain legitimacy after doing that, or will the state always be illegitimate?
And how geographically widespread does it have to be?
Because that sounds an awful lot like the US’s historical genocide of the Native Americans and China’s current genocide of the Uyghurs.
I absolutely think states can improve their legitimacy. Israel could work with Palestine in good faith toward a two state solution. There’s always a path forward. See south africa, northern Ireland, Germany in the cold war etc
And yet you see the celebration of support for someone saying that “Israel has no right to exist.” Although there are some people who believe all national boarders should be abolished, somehow I don’t think that’s what the poster intended. Calling for the destruction of an entire nation of people sounds pretty bigoted to me. If it’s not anti-semitism, then we’re just splitting hairs. It makes it hard to speak out against the actions of Israel alongside people who are calling for Jewish genocide and being cheered on by those around them.
Calling for Israel to not exist does not imply Genocide, it implies disestablishment of a political body.
There is no possible world in which the disestablishment of the state of Israel does not lead to the deaths of millions of Jews. If you want to advocate for the abolition of Israel, you need to accept that and own the consequences.
No. But look if you want to be hysterical and put words in people’s mouths you do you. But you’ll have to excuse me if I bow out of the conversation. I’m happy to answer for my own words but not those others imagine
all of them probably, nations kind of suck
tish isn’t going to sleep with you.