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- i_r@thelemmy.club
- france@lemmit.online
France is working with partners on a plan over how to respond should the United States act on its threat to take over Greenland, Foreign Affairs Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said on Wednesday.
Uhm, no. Those bases and equipment would be taken over by the local militaries. USA troops are a minority among the national armies, they’re not the main force.
The problem is that, it’s bringing war in our own soil from day-1. Sure it’s easy to launch a few missile at an US base a few minutes before having infantry taking them over, but during that time your fighting on your own soil.
That’s war. If the NSA (Nazi States of America) attacked, where do you think the fighting would happen? In the Atlantic Ocean? Either way it will be in Europe to begin with. At least the EU would have a chance to confiscate some of the equipment and use it against them
Are these really pure US bases though? My understanding is they are mainly NATO bases where the US is present as well.
The footnote even says it: “at which DOD exercises some degree of operational control”
Ramstein (and its surroundings) is de facto US territory that hosts F35 and most likely a bunch of nuclear warheads (officially there shouldn’t be any, but no one can really rely on that obviously).
I have no clue about military stuff, so I don’t know how easily planes can be intercepted etc. but I doubt Europe’s capabilities are centred around jets flying from within Germany. How quickly can an F35 reach Paris?
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What are you basing this on? Personal experience tells me this is not the case with European US Navy bases.
What is not the case?
How exactly do you see American troops based in the EU taking over capitals?
Do you really think local militaries will just sit and watch?
If not taken over, those bases would quickly be bombed into oblivion.
The local mini USA military has no chance to stand against the whole of local militaries.
They would literally be surrounded in the middle of enemy territory, their only option is surrender or die.
You said those bases and equipment would be taken over by local militaries. Other than vibes, what are you basing that on? I’m 100% certain those troops won’t see your only option. They will fight until they die or US air and naval forces arrive. I have no idea who would win. Wondering how you know.
Source: was stationed in Europe.
Search top 5 largest air forces in the world. A quick search gives the following numbers for active military aircraft:
The United States (14,423) Russia (4,036) China (3,284) India (1,850) Egypt (1,122) Turkey (1,055) South Korea (890) Pakistan (818) Japan (779) France (697)
Any US (not a joint or UN) base will be able to hold out long enough for those aircraft to get in the fight. When that happens the number of troops on the ground won’t matter.
If EU countries attack (justified or otherwise US bases) why do you assume the goal will be taking over a capital?
Yes, like I said, they will either surrender or die.
Any support forces will be intercepted well before they reach those bases.
What is any of this based on? You believe that if the US went into any European country with military force they would not move support forces into the area beforehand? This is exactly what happened in Venezuela.
Look, I hope this doesn’t happen. I am not a fan of my country.
My question was what are your conclusions based on. So far that seems like nothing.
Do you think the EU wouldn’t do the same? They would just sit and watch the USA surround the EU before the attack?
Are you comparing Venezuela’s military to the EU? They literally couldn’t do anything even if they wanted.
My reasoning is based on logic and knowledge.
Your reasoning is based on personal experience and American propaganda drilled into you since elementary school. Your reasoning reeks of the typical “America is the greatest and most powerful nation of the world” Americanism
So this started with me asking what you based your comment on. Please share the knowledge you are basing this on by linking to a source.
My comments are all said begrudgingly. I served in the military. I am anti what America is currently doing. My comments are based on numbers of weapons systems and years of strategy where the US purposely let the EU underspend on defense.
Given that you want to reduce this to personal attacks, I will exit now, and let trolls troll.
You are asking for sources, but you are also just giving your opinions, based on your experience. That’s not a source. What are we talking about here, anyway?
If the US takes Greenland, NATO breaks up and US troops are no longer welcome in Europe. Are you telling me the US are fighting in Greenland and try to conquer Europe at the same time? If Europe will be attacked by the US it will be considered a pariah state. They will have to turn diabolically evil and take over every western state. And if they don’t succeed taking Europe they will have lost their strategic bases.
I still hope that the US military has leaders with a spine, who will not follow those orders. But that hope is fading away quickly.
But what do I know. I have no experience in military strategy. Those are just thoughts that came to mind. I was triggered that this discussion wandered far from it’s original starting point.
Not the guy you’re responding to, but if you were stationed there you would have known how often supply flights come in and out of say Rammstein AB. It’s a small city, it can’t survive without the USAF mad logistics.
I don’t know if those bases would be attacked, they would be forced to surrender and GTFO their host country, with a bunch of the heavy hardware probably confiscated.
The moment the US attacks any EU nation in this trojan horse style, they would instantly have EU close its airspace, and declare war on US.
Not saying the yanks won’t be able to make a bit of a dent, and there would be chaos, but the USA would be giving up significant EU continental control for an attack that is doomed before it starts, and it would now have EU and China potentially as a coalition against it.
Not to mention Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia and a bunch of other places us USAF forward bases might be putting them on notice.
Yes they have overwhelming airforce and navy, but not if you think about the key principle of war: good logistics. And not if you think about the phase after such failed attack.
Navy not air force here, are those result flights bringing in commissary items or weapon systems?
I’m not saying the US has an easy time or saves all bases. But thinking that the US would fight to occupy if its bases were attacked is a bold assumption.
The EU can close its airspace. The trick is enforcing that.
How? If the US attack they will take out any airfield first.
AA
SAMs
Threaten to release the remaining Epstein Files themselves.
Easy. All fielded and covered and not waiting on known bases to be shot with a rocket from a local American base close-by.
What should the Epstein files do? How much worse can it get? Throwing the baby into the lake was not a problem.
I don’t believe that the war would break out because all those weapons are needed against China and Russia. It’s just that unlike Russia, the US could take out Europe from within.
Why do you think they wouldn’t be prepared? You forget about all the intelligence agencies the EU and UK have.
This isn’t Afghanistan or Venezuela. It would be obvious the USA is planning an attack way in advance. In fact, I bet those guns are already being uncovered, serviced and prepared right this moment.
Ameri-cunt bases would be surrounded way in advance of any attacks.
It very much depends on the base.
For instance, Ramstein AFB is a whole different story from the nearby Germersheim DLA distribution center. The former is a formidable threat to central and western Europe. The latter could be taken over by a particularly enthusiastic riot police unit (but probably won’t because there’s nothing of interest there).
There’s a bunch of bases that would pose a real threat and would be prime targets for immediate missile strikes. There’s a bunch that can be dealt with by having traffic cops close off the entrance. There’s a bunch in between. It’s very much a mixed bag.
I find your userhandle also particularly enthusiastic. And you’re right. And wrong move by the yanks (and you can bet your ass EU armies are talking about this) and Rammstein would be one of the first bases to be attacked.
It pretty much depends on timing.
If the USA decided to launch surprise strikes from their more important bases, they could inflict serious damage that the EU couldn’t how to inflict on the USA. Even a swift counterstrike wouldn’t bring back the crippled infrastructure.
On the other hand, if the USA keep alienating the EU, they might get asked to leave before they could even properly prepare for such strikes. That’d be a major strategic blunder but the current administration isn’t exactly known for its masterful planning.
Either way, I just hope that Trump leaves office in one way or another before we get a real test of whether the doctrine of mutually assured destruction stands up to a senile psychopath with a cult following.
Well, Trump will be gone but another maniac will sit in the oval office after him. This will not be over after Trump!
Yeah, but cults of personality tend not to inherit very well. There’s a chance that MAGA will fracture after he’s gone, which would at least render them less effective. Right now a solid third of the country would happily hand the country over to Russia if he asked them.
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I am absolutely certain. Taken by nuclear armed countries.
What, do you think local armies are just gonna let the mini USA army storm the capitals and watch?