Notice there is only 1 full headline (from /r/NoStupidQuestions) visible, it doesn’t even show the full post. There are 3 of those “trending” boxes but only 2 of those even fit their headlines because they are like 3 words long, they cut off anything longer including the description
I originally became addicted to Reddit because of how streamlined it was to skim dozens of headlines and pick from lots of content, seems they have decided content is not something they want to provide anymore :/
Wow that’s pretty horrible.
It’s amazing what you miss due to 10 years of browsing with RIF and RES as mandatory installs
“miss”
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Digg redesign vibes
The day that digg launched that new design was the last day I ever logged into that site. Why do people fuck up things that work?
Things that work aren’t profitable (enough). A thing that works is good for expanding customer base. A thing that almost works is good for profit per customer base. The thing is… A thing that works and is sustainable to maintain provides the most long term profits. There’s no legal requirement a company grow in scope, but most investors (both in small and large companies) see that as the only way. Reddit has been operating on an unsustainable business model. Their core feature set is simple. Their userbase was loyal, and willing to pay for Reddit gold to directly keep the website running. The holes in their sustainability were a huge staff to develop features to grow their customer base despite no one wanting or asking for those features, a terrible ad model that left money on the table by not putting ads where they’d have the most effect (why did I always get Ford ads on r/FuckCars, never Taco Bell ads on r/ShittyFoodPorn, no small online stationary shops on r/FountainPens?) and not returning ads in API calls, and finally an API model that went from free to impossible to justify overnight. But no one on the board of directors is interested in a business that consistently makes money over the long term. They want to make as much money as possible all in one go.
Let me ask you this. Which is better? To run a small coffee roaster that employs 8 people and serves coffee through one physical shop and one online store front to a loyal fan base by serving a high quality product in small batches, or to be massive coffee company, shadowed in scale only by Starbucks and Peets, but going into bankruptcy because you can’t keep up with Starbucks and Peets? I’d take the consistent sustainable business every time, but too many people want to be the big winner with the bankrupt company, and the result is the small investors, the ones who bought into the big coffee company, or Reddit, end up holding the bag while the people who took their money deploy their golden parachutes
Your example of Reddit’s evolution underscores the challenges that companies face when striving to balance the demands of expansion, customer satisfaction, and financial stability. As companies grow, there’s often a temptation to introduce new features, expand into new markets, or chase the latest trends, even if these decisions may not align with the core needs and desires of their customer base. This can lead to inefficiencies, overspending, and sometimes even a dilution of the very qualities that made the company popular in the first place.
How profitable did Digg get? It’s definitely a tight rope and the fact that we’re discussing this on Lemmy is a testament to how a lot of the user base feels now.
Great insight
Designers want to get promoted, or get good bonuses for having impact. Product Managers are similarly incentivized to make changes, to improve some metric that they believe helps their business. If these structures exist, and the people making changes don’t understand what the users want, or their incentives are misaligned… it’s inevitable
They had an impact alright.
This makes me think of Microsoft. I get the impression it’s a software and technology company run by suits who are completely detached from end users and every decision is made purely from pie charts, analytics with no nuances included and designers itching to be promoted whispering in their ear.
So many things that worked perfectly - things people have learned where they are and how to use them for decades get changed for apparently no other reason than just to change them and a constant push to redesign everything into a path towards using one of their new services that already has better existing external services people were quite happy using.
Like if your product is good and works don’t start a new product then start changing the original product solely to integrate the new product. That’s bad for the existing users and customers.
It just seems like a constant thing with them that always leads back to squeezing more data and money out of users at the detriment to everything else then gaslighting users by using phrases like “improved user experience”
I actually just scrolled down some more after writing all this and there’s a good comment with some of they whys on what I was saying
“Promoted to the level of incompetence”
Yep, same here.
Why do people fuck up things that work?
Depends on what you mean by “work”. If by “work” you mean is enjoyable to use, I understand. If by “work” you mean sustains a business, then no.
It obviously is a sustainable business. What they want to do is fatten the cow before slaughter
It’s obviously not. Because they’ve been reporting losses since it’s inception.
Yeah, but only because Reddit wants to become more than they are! All the coins, nfts (yes, they already sell them), useless functions and redesigns they implemented over the years, while simultaneously giving a shit about what made Reddit useful and interesting. They had a chance to be better than the rest and give us (and by that I mean user who used Reddit often) a way to pay for what we liked but more and more they pushed people like me away with all the convoluted and microtransactiony way to spend money.
Eh, whatever. I like it here better now!
They had a chance to be better than the rest and give us…a way to pay for what we liked
You wouldn’t have paid. No one would have paid. It’s as simple as that. People are happy to pay with their data and their attention, but not with their money, which is why they forced everyone onto their first-party app where they can mine your data and push notifications to keep you engaged, all while ensuring you’re forced to look at their ads.
Not to mention charging AI companies money to mine the information you’ve contributed to their platform that they were previously bypassing via the API.
You wouldn’t have paid
Eh, I don’t pay for Tv or have a lot of subscriptions but I actually pay for YouTube premium because there are channels I follow for more than ten years at this point. And because I know that some of this money goes to the creators (not all, I know) I feel like it’s money well spent for content I actually enjoy. So, with all that said: if Reddit would have given me an option to pay a reasonable amount to browse it on an app of my choice I am pretty sure I would have done that, because some of content and communities were also a part of my life for way longer than ten years.
I can kinda see where you are coming from, though. Not enough people would have paid the way I would have done. People like free stuff. I do too.
The more I think about it. I think you’re right. No more 0% loans so cheap debt is hard and interest starts accruing.
That was my first thought as well
I think Reddit doesn’t realize that what made their UI so appealing was precisely that it felt really functional and bare bones, like Craigslist still does or Google used to. As if it was designed by nerds who just wanted the most functional site. It makes it seem more trustworthy and neutral, less monetized.
This redesign looks painfully corporate.
I used RIF for the longest time and I just can’t with the official app. It’s already awful and if that’s what the website looks like now then the app will have a worse UI soon.
You guys are still using Reddit?
Also i need talklittle to either port rif or make it open source so we can port it ourselves ;-;
Unfortunately he is making it for tildes, a platform run by a single admin who bans people who have discussions about difficult topics
Yeah that’s what I’ve seen too, I don’t know why he chose tildes? It’s not talked about, like at all. Seems like a big chunk of his userbase came over here
The admin there who owns the place seems to want to keep it small, so yes no clue why he is making his app over there at this point. It’s clear the owner of tildes doesn’t want the place to grow. He just wants a bunch of people circle jerking each other in their echo chamber.
Difficult topics = dog whistle
Uhh, no…I was banned for discussing a topic about how obesity is the number one killer and not tobacco…how is that a dog whistle?
But to people like you, anything you disagree with… instant nazi right?
No, just Nazi stuff.
I use Connect and it is the closest thing to RIF. Over the last few weeks the app has improved a ton.
Ooo, I’ll have to check it out. I’m on Jerboa, which is good but I miss the buttons for snappy movements between comments that rif had the most
I know right I feel like I’m going crazy but no other app has these buttons and no one else mentioned them
Connect for Lemmy has the buttons, but also has these weird animations and they’re slightly different (like they don’t exist for nested comments, just the return to parent button)
+1 for connect from another RIF migrant here.
How do I send you and the developer $5
The devs info is in this post: https://lemmy.ca/post/2614066 . There is a link to “send him a coffee”. I don’t need the cash, so give my $5 to them. ;)
I check in on one specific community and feel sad that the users are still there. But one of them signed up here today so there is hope!
I was being a little cheeky, I get it. I have a personal feed of reddit posts that get pulled from the subs i miss without me needing to visit the site.
The migration will be slow, but hopefully steady! Honestly, the lack of content kinda sucks but its much higher quality and the discussions here are way more personal which is really nice.
Any tips how you pull stuff to read out of Reddit? RSS or something else?
I wrote a python script that uses the API (unauthenticated), it’s still in early stages right now but I intend to clean it up over the coming days and then publish it on GitHub – I’ll send you a link when i do :)
That would be great! Thanks!
Still use reddit and twitter for sports news and updates and a few fringe topics and I read only. Shut down my reddit account around 2019 and only have a twitter account because its a pain to view stuff if not logged in. Have never posted anything there.
try nitter.poast.org
Topics on the side. “Gaming, Sports, Business, Crypto…” Reddit trying really hard to pretend it’s not just around for porn and memes. Also, crypto lol. Tech bro a little harder, spez.
And celeb gossips.
Sigh.
Dude idk crypto was fucking DROWNING r/all for a long time, maybe still is I eventually blocked it, so I get why they added it. And I think the type of person who would stick around on reddit or start now would still be into/interested in starting crypto.
I hope it is obvious that is not a compliment.
I basically blocked every single crypto community. But around the time of the GameStop bullshit, a LOT more of them started cropping up. I thought I was safe, then two days later another one pops up. And it was always the same non-discussion bullshit.
Worse than a scam, crypto is a cult.
It’s the bro MLM
no you’re thinking of football (either one)
r/buttcoin, which basically exists to shine a light on all the crypto shenanigans has more real person engagement that all the bot infested crypto subs
Yeah, that really feels like there is a huge disconnect with their core user-base 🤦🏻♂️
True, at this point they might as well rebrand to PM&C: porn, memes and crypto
I think when companies that originally offered something unique and desirable get large enough, they necessarily lose touch with what made them indispensable. Dollar signs lead to a notion of growth that summons a many-tentacled cocaine-caked Moloch of feature creep, tech bandwagon hopping, information siloing, data harvesting, advertiser worshiping, and corporate evil that is, at best, indifferent to user experience, but more typically actively antagonistic to it.
We are no longer their target audience, they don’t care what made it appealing to us. They are trying to position themselves as being the same as YouTube, Instagram, Facebook.
At first glance I thought it was youtube.
Is the old.reddit.com still usable or is that fucked up too?
old.reddit.com is still kickin it. No talk I’ve heard of to get rid of it yet. The second it’s gone I’m gone.
In case you didn’t know and for everyone else that prefers the old UI there is a clone for lemmy.
https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym
lemmy.world has it installed at https://old.lemmy.world. The creator has it running at https://mlmym.org/ for other instances that don’t have it installed.
Wow that’s pretty accurate.
Wow, I never knew that was a thing! Old Reddit style Lemmy needs to be brought up more.
It was on the front page of lemmy.world for a bit.
It doesn’t have some modern conveniences like the ability to block just FYI to those reading along at home. It’s pretty bit it’s not as functional as many others.
Same for https://old.lemmy.zip /
Old Reddit is Reddit. If they get rid of it, I’m sure as fuck not sticking around for this new site. It looks like Bing and Youtube had a deformed little monster-child.
It seems they recently fucked up something with i.redd.it handling - opening image links from old reddit always redirects to https://old.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/media/nice_hat/ for a few days now.
No that’s intentional. They no longer allow direct i.redd.it image linking, it forces a redirect to a landing page that is either old.reddit if you’re logged in and force it, or new reddit with a “get the app, doofus” nag screen for anyone not logged in.
They didn’t want anyone using Reddit as an image hosting service or - God forbid! - viewing Reddit content without delivering every ounce of their personal data and ad revenue to Spez.
It’s ironic because i.reddit links work perfectly fine to repost content on Lemmy
Well it hasn’t worked for inline embeds for me for a hot minute. You can still browse to it of course, but now you have to open a new tab and deal with the “GET APP!!!” pop-ups every 3 seconds.
yeah same here… I was like, youtube has text posts now?
Text posts on YouTube are pretty nice though. I like that people can post channel updates like saying there’s gonna be a delay on a video or something without having to film and post a video to do so.
Bro what in the msn.com is this
Hahaha
If it was Fischer-Price, it would be colorful. This is just the sort of bland, generic website UI you see everywhere
Remember, people complained Windows XP was a Fisher-Price OS. I don’t think this redesign will affect Reddit long-term, unfortunately.
Honestly, I would take the look of Windows XP over the look of Windows 10/11 or current MacOS. Of course, I’m on Linux, so I actually can do that
Of course, I’m on Linux, so I actually can do that
On an unrelated note, meet my daily driver!
(Complete with sounds, boot screen and login screen.)
Looks great, but do the windows jiggle when you drag them? Mine do
Ie. An easily censorable ui, it’s for Chinese interests.
the nostupidquestions post is so extremely stupid lmao
Probably AI generated
It’s not. It’s a common mathematical fallacy stumbled upon by crackpots who think they’re geniuses and have found a fundamental problem with math.
There’s a math professor at Harvard who gets sent this “proof” like once a month.
The fallacy here is the 1- in front of the limit. 0.999… = lim_n->∞{1-1/n} = 1-lim_n->∞{1/n} = 1-0 = 1, which simply proves that 0.999… = 1
Yeah, am I the only one who wants to track down that post and tell them how stupid they are?
I’d rather not use Reddit anymore
The fact that crypto is listed on the side makes me wanna bump my head on the wall.
The whole thing in general looks like a mobile app stretched to fit on a monitor. I mean, that’s how most websites are in 2023.
funnily enough, it literally fucking is, this was originaly their mobile site.
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That’s not a mobile first principal. Mobile first design and development includes progressive enhancement as the viewport grows. You can make a website that operates perfectly on mobile and desktop. These fucks just don’t actually adhere to any philosophies or standards. Don’t blame mobile first, which is a brilliant approach, for the shortcomings of a dumb-ass company like Reddit.
It’s called “responsive design” i think. I played around with it a bit when learning html years ago. You can get free website templates that have this cooked in - like, you don’t need to code anything. Seems easy to do and pretty much an industry standard now. Pretty weird that reddit would choose a trashy option instead.
Responsive design is approach you can use as part of your mobile first development. There are others, but responsive is a good one.
Yeah I used bootstrap for building some websites almost a decade ago now, and I used responsive design. You could have the website in a small browser window and it’d appear as the mobile version with a navbar at the top. As you drag the window wider it slowly morphed into the desktop version.
So much white space…so many frames…so much waste…I can’t look away…it’s whispering to me …
Mandatory Website Obesity Crisis mention, TL;DR:
Some kind of brain parasite infected designers back when the iPad came out, and they haven’t recovered. Everything now has to look like a touchscreen.
My gripe with this design aesthetic is the loss of information density. I’m an adult human being sitting at a large display, with a mouse and keyboard. I deserve better. Not every interface should be designed for someone surfing the web from their toilet.
It’s like we woke up one morning in 2008 to find that our Lego had all turned to Duplo. Sites that used to show useful data now look like cartoons. Interface elements are big and chunky. Any hint of complexity has been pushed deep into some sub-hamburger. Sites target novice users on touchscreens at everyone else’s expense.
I shouldn’t need sled dogs and pemmican to navigate your visual design.
A lot of apps are also just web wrappers for a mobile site… It’s obvious with some apps, others are a bit harder to see, but it’s there.
Low effort app developing.
Hard to build a good looking website with just 2000 employees
The worst part is that the Lemmy photon ui (m.lemmy.zip) is also modern looking, just way more practical (also has settings to make it less padded)
Legit thought you were on YouTube.
It looks like a news site from 2012, and it actually looks like it’s trying to imitate digg lol
Seriously me too!! I was paying more attention to the TV show I was watching and was wondering what was so remarkable about the same old YouTube layout. I had to wait for it to end to really look at the picture DAYUMN it looks like YouTube. Wtf reddit what a weird thing to copy
Almost like when they replaced the reddit app with one that looked just like Instagram. Reddit has no originality I guess.
Looks like they copied youtubes front page.
I absolutely thought this was YouTube.
Wtf.
If pages like this don’t tell you “What’s Hot” how the fuck do you propose we find out what is hot?
Ask Paris Hilton
Or just look up her video.
I was thinking Yahoo
O_o
So stop using it. Ffs, this place circle jerks over how bad that place is, and then you dumb mother fuckers keep going back. Move on already.
Eh. it’s one thing always talking about Reddit in more general communities, but this is a Reddit community.
The magazine is called ‘Reddit’… what are you doing here if you’re tired of hearing about it?
Getting news about Reddit and ideally its downfall is why I’m here. Reading people complain about it and then turn around and support it is not. Initially I subbed to this right after I left to see what was happening without going back. Now it’s often just a bunch of idiots jerking each other off while redditing.
you read?
this community is specifically about reddit, like we talk about reddit here
go to some other community and ignore this one
… but then how are they going to complain about Reddit?
or complain about the people complaining about Reddit.
So, everyone who didn’t choose to abandon the platform you yourself admit to have been using until recently, at the exact time that you decided was appropriate to abandon it completely, is an idiot? I think you should try to recalibrate your attitude regarding things like this my friend. That’s an unnecessarily harsh way to view other people’s choices IMO. It poisons the conversation, but more importantly, it poisons your own mood.
I haven’t been back since June 12th so I get what you’re saying but the name of this mag is reddit, it seems like an appropriate place to talk about it.
What? I will always use reddit as long as it has good content that I can’t find elsewhere. Still spend lots of time here to help Lemmy grow and make it eventually get better than reddit.
Oh, believe me, my usage has dropped by around 95%
that looks like youtube. is that how non old.reddit looks like?
Well at least it’s better than the previous layout that squished everything into the center and had a ton of dead space on the sides.
It looks like YouTube now. But with text. lol
Precisely what it reminded me of, I think the way they should’ve gone is modernising the way they show dozens of post per scroll.
