Graphene (more specifically its founder) is always in a vicious cycle of claiming that everyone asking for proof of Graphene being “under attack” is in itself making an “attack”. You can consider yourself Graphene’s enemy for life for your transgression.
I honestly don’t know or care enough to figure out how much exaggeration is taking place, but it seems like there’s at least a possibility that this is a nothingburger from a powerless journalist that’s being extrapolated like crazy. There might be a definite answer in that thread but I don’t have the time to evaluate all angles of this incident right now.
This is actually a really relevant note, because all of us are the “wolf-watchers” in that sense. We’re all trying to keep track of accountability on stuff like this and use what little power we have to protest and counteract government overreach and abuse. When hyperbole and gaslighting are used by those “crying wolf” it makes our jobs that much more difficult. Even after reading through the HN thread I still am not sure if the threat is real or imagined. There are a couple paranoid leaps in logic asserted as fact, and that makes it impossible to know which other “facts” are actually just opinions. By all means, they should GTFO of France if they feel they might be threatened, but turning around and saying they’re being imminently attacked by France makes it so much harder to understand what’s actually happening.
Governments, including France, want to weaken security. Sometimes they intentionally conflate illegality with security. It sounds like that’s what’s happening here, with an assist from the journalist who hasn’t done any investigation.
To me it reads like Graphene is saying /e/ is “actively attacking” them as a puppet of the government of France. How do you reconcile them both being perfectly good when either one is engaging in this behavior, or one is lying about it? It’s okay to support both projects overall and not agree with every action they take, but that doesn’t mean you have to turn a blind eye to accountability when they are making bad choices (to put it lightly). In any other project, criticism would lead to positive changes and correction of bad behavior. Because Graphene doesn’t work like that, I think it’s important to understand their history so that everyone is more informed when they make serious accusations about other innocent projects like this.
what exactly is /e/ doing against graphene ?
Graphene (more specifically its founder) is always in a vicious cycle of claiming that everyone asking for proof of Graphene being “under attack” is in itself making an “attack”. You can consider yourself Graphene’s enemy for life for your transgression.
Watching these youtube links makes you an attacker also, so be careful: https://youtu.be/Dx7CZ-2Bajg https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0
Given this, do we actually know that the French government is targeting GrapheneOS in a significant way, or is this just another dramatisation?
I did skim through some similar discussion on the HN link, which you can read here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45999024
I honestly don’t know or care enough to figure out how much exaggeration is taking place, but it seems like there’s at least a possibility that this is a nothingburger from a powerless journalist that’s being extrapolated like crazy. There might be a definite answer in that thread but I don’t have the time to evaluate all angles of this incident right now.
Ok, first I was very worried when I saw the original message, but after watching these videos… well, The Boy Who Cried Wolf came to mind.
This is actually a really relevant note, because all of us are the “wolf-watchers” in that sense. We’re all trying to keep track of accountability on stuff like this and use what little power we have to protest and counteract government overreach and abuse. When hyperbole and gaslighting are used by those “crying wolf” it makes our jobs that much more difficult. Even after reading through the HN thread I still am not sure if the threat is real or imagined. There are a couple paranoid leaps in logic asserted as fact, and that makes it impossible to know which other “facts” are actually just opinions. By all means, they should GTFO of France if they feel they might be threatened, but turning around and saying they’re being imminently attacked by France makes it so much harder to understand what’s actually happening.
Sort of.
Governments, including France, want to weaken security. Sometimes they intentionally conflate illegality with security. It sounds like that’s what’s happening here, with an assist from the journalist who hasn’t done any investigation.
I doubt it. I think these kind of comments are a very classic “divide and conquer” tactic.
We should not be divided, but stand behind both e/ and Graphene as perfectly good privacy defenders.
To me it reads like Graphene is saying /e/ is “actively attacking” them as a puppet of the government of France. How do you reconcile them both being perfectly good when either one is engaging in this behavior, or one is lying about it? It’s okay to support both projects overall and not agree with every action they take, but that doesn’t mean you have to turn a blind eye to accountability when they are making bad choices (to put it lightly). In any other project, criticism would lead to positive changes and correction of bad behavior. Because Graphene doesn’t work like that, I think it’s important to understand their history so that everyone is more informed when they make serious accusations about other innocent projects like this.
Existing, probably.
https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1946274731927204184