EDIT: Okay, it was a bit silly of me to drag my heels in, I don’t strictly hate it and there are good things about British cooking (mostly veggies), but I find the meme’s meat obsession super silly. I am having stomach pains and cramped arteries just looking at this stuff.

Highly underrated

I love how it’s superimposed on the diapers lmao, I hope the meme was ironic

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    22·
    11 months ago

    It was a a cuisine developed in America that doesn’t exist anywhere else. It was developed by Americans (Chinese immigrants and their descendents) and eaten by Americans, and not only white people lol. There is a Chinese takeout place in virtually every poor urban neighborhood in the country. What should we call it, if not American? Do you not count as American if you’re of Chinese origin? If you want to insist on it being specifically Chinese American, I agree! Chinese-American is a subset of Americans

    Of all the things to go off on, it’s bizarre to choose a cheap, tasty cuisine primarily beloved by the proletariat.

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      Do you not count as American if you’re of Chinese origin? If you want to insist on it being specifically Chinese American, I agree! Chinese-American is a subset of Americans

      This is the fundamental disagreement we have. Chinese Americans are a subset of the Chinese diaspora. They really aren’t Americans outside of legal status and citizenry. They certainly aren’t treated like Americans, especially right now with the rise in anti-Asian hate crimes and various Chinese American scientists being investigated by the FBI for perceived “CCP” and “ethnic” loyalty. Really, most diasporic Americans (or at least most nonwhite diasporic Americans) aren’t actually Americans if we understand Americans to be the inheritors and heirs of the settler colonial project known as the United States of America. This is true even for Black people whose ancestors have existed in this country for centuries. A Chinese American has far more in common with a Chinese Canadian than a white American, so it makes more sense to lump your average Chinese American together with your average Chinese Canadian. The things that unifies them both is that both are members of the Chinese diaspora, in particular the English-speaking members of the Chinese diaspora.

      • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        15·
        11 months ago

        They really aren’t Americans outside of legal status and citizenry

        Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

        aren’t actually Americans if we understand Americans to be the inheritors and heirs of the settler colonial project known as the United States of America.

        Why would we define Americans in that very specific and idiosyncratic way?

        Please go around talking to people of color in the United States and explain this to them and see what they think I guess.

        It just seems like you’re accepting all of the premises about the intrinsic alieness and foreignness of people of color in the US that your standard white nationalist would have but woke

          • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            2·
            11 months ago

            No, they aren’t American because they haven’t completely assimilated into whiteness. This is arguably a good thing because American is a fake settler-colonial identity anyways.

            Kinda bizarre how people here are having these patsoc-adjacent takes.

        • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          I mean, you shouldn’t want to be American in the same way you shouldn’t want to be Israeli. Pretty much every single Black radical like Malcolm X reject being American, so I’m not saying anything particularly new. There’s that famous speech by a Hawaiian activist titled “We are not Americans.” Modern Pan-African orgs and Indigenous communities also reject the label American as well as the settler-colonial borders of the US and Canada. There’s plenty of Indigenous tribal nations and communities that have their ancestral lands separated into a US Native American half and a Canadian First Nations half, but they still understand themselves as one people because unlike the two illegitimate settler-colonies, they constitute a real nation.

          The only real reason why you don’t hear this rhetoric among the various diasporas is because most diaspora communities function as a buffer zone between white settlers at the top and the Black and Indigenous at the bottom. There’s a degree of assimilation/gusanofication among the diasporas too, but for the nonwhite diasporas at least, white settlers are too pathologically racist for them to be fully integrated into whiteness and the settler-colonial order. Just like how the US-Canadian border is largely a legal matter among Indigenous nations, whether your nationality is American or Canadian is largely a legal matter among the diasporas.