I miss it, but I still want change. Not “machete” change like we’re getting, but “scalpel” change.
When were those days, exactly? I’ve studies a hell of a lot of history, and I can really only point to two moments:
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The American Civil War, but we were both the good guys and the bad guys there, so doesn’t really count.
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WW2. We fought against fascism. We were squarely on the side of the good guys.
I’ve never been alive when America was the good guys, and neither has the vast majority of anyone else.
As a history nerd that has gone down many rabbit holes a lot of the worlds problems of the last 200 years and beyond are because of countries like USA, England. Russia, Spain etc.For example Central America and even some of South America that was colonized by Spain which stole a vast amount of natural resources such as gold and silver. Later down the line some of these countries especially in central America though they were never colonized by USA USA had a lot of influence on them and even was the one controlling their civil wars like they were playing video games. As soon as communism was not a threat America pulled out of those countries and left them in a shitty place. Another example is the MS 13 terrorist gang organization which originally was founded in Los Angeles, These gang members were than arrested in United States and then deported back to Central America without giving those governments a heads up of who exactly they where sending back and by not doing that this gang turned into one of the biggest criminal organizations in the world
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The number of people who are seemingly ignorant of any of the actual politics of Joseph is alarming. Democratic aligned politics has devolved to the same level of Republican politics in the sense of metrics and language. “Economy good” is an absolutely wild way to summarize Joe’s politics and the impact on politics that he had. He was a conservative man. From his earliest days as a politician, he was conservative. He played a not insignificant role in creating the modern political landscape. Including in essentially running interference for Clarence Thomas during his initial candidacy for the Supreme Court (Thomas had dozens of credible allegations of sexual harassment and sexual misconduct). Biden was notoriously pro colonialism throughout the entirety of his political career, including active support of Israel and its colonization of Palestine going back to the 70s. He spent decades campaigning on anti-crime discourse that prioritized higher budgets for police to spend targeting minority communities, a fact he was absolutely aware of.
The political legacy of this man is not “Economy good”. It is a lifelong career against workers rights, minority rights and pushing conservative agendas within the democratic party against leftist ones. His term as president did not see any degree of preparation for the rise of fascism. He played a significant role in the failures of the democratic party during the election campaign. Refusing to step aside, proving his own incompetence over and over again, refusing to push a progressive platform, refusing to denounce colonialism and genocide, and ultimately playing into many of the same political talking points of American fascists. Joe Biden is a stain on American history. He spent his last 4 years of political relevancy fighting against workers rights and protecting international genocidal institutions. All the while he made an absolute mockery of the institutions of political power in the united states and helped truly ring the funeral bell of American trust in federal institutions.
Let his failure be a galvanizing lesson about all the failures of American liberalism. Leftism is the only true political opposition to fascism. This election was not lost because democrats went woke. It was lost because they refused to change. It was lost because of their own blatant hypocrisy and refusal to campaign on working class politics and humanitarianism. Liberal conservatism handed the reigns to fascism.
He also voted against a constitutional amendment promoted by Indiana Senator Birch Bayh (D) that would have brought an end to the electoral college -The thing that allowed Trump to win his first administration.
Joe Biden has been among our better Republican presidents.
this was a good read. the democratic party isn’t as left as it seems to want people to think
They are the party of status quo. Say what you want, but Trump will buck trends. Unfortunately, it’s just in all the wrongest possible ways. We needed someone with the combination of confidence and stupidity that Trump has, but stupidity for good.
and a lot of it is also 20 years old, because not everything happened yesterday, it’s almost like shit happens in the past or something.
yeah, that’s also true lol
He spent decades campaigning on anti-crime discourse that prioritized higher budgets for police to spend targeting minority communities, a fact he was absolutely aware of.
this was during the 90s crime wave? Right?
Let his failure be a galvanizing lesson about all the failures of American liberalism. Leftism is the only true political opposition to fascism.
i have yet to see a single lefty produce a functional model of government. Liberals base their entire ideology off of a functional governmental model. You have an uphill battle in this regard.
this was during the 90s crime wave? Right?
No, he campaigned on crime at least as far back as 1972. Throughout the entirety of his political career actually, including through his presidency. He is a conservative nationalist. In the same vein is casually racist and indeed sexist.
You said this in another comment,
and a lot of it is also 20 years old
To which I say that is not an excuse. People were anti-racist back then too, and people had been calling out police violence against people of color since the 19th century and the white supremacist origins of the modern american militarized police. Also we’re talking moreso 60 years of continual support for these institutions, not merely 20 years ago.
i have yet to see a single lefty produce a functional model of government. Liberals base their entire ideology off of a functional governmental model. You have an uphill battle in this regard.
Yes, and liberalism has historically resisted fascist takeovers so well.
Neoliberalism prioritizes the mass hoarding of wealth of the capitalist ruling class above everything else. Neoliberalism has been the dominant ideology of western electoral democracy since the time of Ronald Reagan. This is especially true of America and Great Britain. Neoliberalism does not create a functional government. It creates continuously worsening economic inequalities and devotes all its resources to preventing workers from achieving class consciousness and resisting their increasing oppression from the ruling class. Fascists are political allies with neoliberals. They have the same aims in preventing the spread of workers rights and maintaining class hierarchies.
But the mere fact that you have phrased it as a “functional model of government” is absolutely indicative of your own ignorance as to what workers rights even are and what leftism is. There are many extent leftist nations today. Social Democracy is a leftist ideology, and I find it pretty unlikely that you view the Social Democracies of Scandinavia in a negative light.
To which I say that is not an excuse. People were anti-racist back then too, and people had been calling out police violence against people of color since the 19th century and the white supremacist origins of the modern american militarized police. Also we’re talking moreso 60 years of continual support for these institutions, not merely 20 years ago.
it’s not an excuse, depending on what it was as well as the fact that things can change, someone may have had a negative view at a certain point, but that can change. Unless of course doing a single bad action is always constituted as a negative thing, which doesn’t seem beneficial for society to me.
Yes, and liberalism has historically resisted fascist takeovers so well.
fascist governments are opportunistic by design, and liberal democracies don’t necessarily have native defenses against them, it’s one of the biggest challenges in a democracy.
Neoliberalism prioritizes the mass hoarding of wealth of the capitalist ruling class above everything else. Neoliberalism has been the dominant ideology of western electoral democracy since the time of Ronald Reagan. This is especially true of America and Great Britain. Neoliberalism does not create a functional government.
if you operate on your definition of neoliberalism sure, but i’m not a neoliberal. The irony could be that these problems are inherent to any capitalist society, arguably any society ever, because inflation is a bitch. The only trivial way to work against it is population increase, in which the US has stagnated heavily.
But the mere fact that you have phrased it as a “functional model of government” is absolutely indicative of your own ignorance as to what workers rights even are and what leftism is. There are many extent leftist nations today. Social Democracy is a leftist ideology, and I find it pretty unlikely that you view the Social Democracies of Scandinavia in a negative light.
yeah, and a lot of the existing left leaning governments are based on liberalism, even china to some degree has a significant amount of liberalism. It’s just that they’re mostly authoritarian. You can implement leftist ideologies in a liberal government. It’s not hard or even impossible. Most of these places are already using some form of liberal government, that or authoritarian, which is less popular.
Cuba, Vietnam, China, Venezuela, the USSR. These are some examples of a lefty functional model of government.
but your gonna say “those governments did bad things”
And I’m gonna say “not as many bad things as the capitalist US of A”
the USSR was really only successful during it’s period of industrialization, past that they didn’t advance much and really only coasted on oil until that started to crash and basically killed them. Stalin also had some, interesting ideas of leadership.
China is an authoritarian state, has been for a long time, mao was, arguably one of the worst leaders ever. Created a massive famine that killed millions just so he could make a single nuclear bomb.
I’m not particularly familiar with the rest, so i can’t really comment. I guess you could argue that the US has done bad things, but so has basically every super power. It’s not really anything new. The primary thing is that the US still exists, china also does, but they’re also having domestic issues as well.
Politics should be boring
News should be boring.
I think Fred Hampton had a better understanding of politics when he said “We understood that politics is nothing but war without bloodshed and war is nothing but politics with bloodshed.”
Dr Wong said it best “it’s maintenance, like wiping you ass or taking a shower”
MABA
Make Politics Boring Again
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Shh i was falling asleep when I commented
If that quiet old man hadn’t decided to try to cling to power despite no longer being fit to hold the office, we might not even be in this predicament.
You’re missing a little genocide factor and a shitloads of unkept promises here
Yeah, the “leftifts” that didn’t show up for those “reasons” are as bad as the magatards and bear the same responsibility. As a leftist myself (not in US though) I curse the absurdism of leftist politicians and electors and their puritanical behavior that can’t seem to do real politics.
All of those words to say “I don’t actually believe in anything and I have no clue of what I am talking about.”
Very impressive.
I believe in pragmatism and not letting fascist take over for free.
The democrats are the ultimate enablers and coconspirators of fascism. The republicans just carry the baton past the finish line. Marco Rubio was confirmed 99-0.
Look at what the democrats are doing right now. It’s the same thing they did for four years when they could have made a difference.
As usual, they are doing nothing meaningful. They are comfortable while the constitution implodes.
It’s quite paradoxical; right, an ideology about them-vs-us being such united and left, an ideology (at least theoretically) about camaradery being such divided
You want them to keep voting for the lesser evil until eternity with both evils moving further to the right every election, got it?
Nothing absurd there.Both parties keep moving to the right becuase voters keep rewarding right by wing behaviour. You get the politicians you vote for
Well that’s what I said
Harm reduction is better than nothing. Yes, I fucking do, then I want them to vote for better people on a local level as they have the option to do. First reduce risk of further harm. Then treat the wound.
It’s crazy that you would rather have a dictatorship than a centralist .
Yeah, like you vote the mediocre and not fascist candidate and you can still protest. But if you vote (or don’t participate) the fascist one then you’ll not be able to protest and suddenly the genocide might be coming home.
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Why do you think things will get better. Not every dictator gets overthrown. Only around, 60%? Bad odds. Your cancer metaphor is apt because removing cancer often kills the patient.
Finally some interesting things happening, and entertaining too.
People die from facism. Many people. Are you a psychopath? How could you enjoy that?
That is my pragmatic preference.
That’s not even slightly pragmatic. It’s so far from pragmatic that I question if you even know what the definition means.
Also, hella straw manning with the Political positions there
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MLK worked with a Southern Democrat who previously voted to keep lynching legal in Texas. After MLK’s assassination, he shepherded the Civil Rights act through Congress and signed it into law as President. That same President went on to give the order to begin bombing Vietnam.
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You see, you can still protest and make peaceful change with the mediocre and not fascist candidate. Good luck surviving with the fascist one. That’s what I’m arguing that the left is horrendous at pragmatism.
I’m not sure it would have helped. 2 Democrats haven’t been elected into office back to back since before the Civil War.
judging by the results from the election, yeah no. Nothing would’ve changed it.
Joe Biden was a perfect example of how delegating authority to the right technocrats, and then standing back and staying out of the way is the best form of executive leadership. I legitimately have no idea why he gets so much hate even from his own party.
Yeah that worked out great re: Merrick Garland’s justice department slow walking Trump’s criminal charges.
I will never forgive Biden for appointing a fucking republican to attorney general after the previous republican administration attempted a coup. Biden is dog shit.
He has the same problem I have at work. When everything is going well, no one really knows. The servers keep running and everyone is happy with IT, but after a while, people start to question what it is we are doing.
I voted for him and was honestly expecting worse.
legitimately biden admin has been the most productive admin in the US government since like, FDR maybe. There are probably a few others, but most have been rather boring.
Do explain how passing the same bills as w bush makes Biden as productive as FDR who revolutionized how Americans get compensated and interact with capital.
Libs are willing to support genocide as long as their personal privilege is maintained. That’s a big part of how liberalism supports fascism. Trump is just a continuation of Biden.
Tanky talk
i’m neither for or against it, personally i’m ambivalent, because i’m not middle eastern, jewish, nor do i live in the middle east, nor anywhere near it. It’s literally a waste of brain power to think about it.
Of course, arguing that i think killing people is good, is fucking stupid, obviously that’s bad. But there are reasons people are being killed, and i’m not delegating that problem to myself, considering i have literally no relation. You would have to find a genuinely insane person to agree with that fact, so there’s no point in even entertaining it on a factual basis.
Would it be nice if israel stopped bombing palestine? Yeah, would it be nice if the US stopped arming them? Yeah, does that ultimately make a difference in regards to the conflict? No. I don’t think anything you did today, even if you managed a complete ceasefire on good terms, would make a good faith effort to stop this conflict. It’s a brutal conflict, there is no easy to solve it.
Reverse ethnic cleansing of israel is not really a good solution either, for several reasons. Notably morals. Likewise yeeting palestine off the map isn’t productive either.
Ultimately though, both of the parties are willing to fight, and one of them just keeps losing, over and over. At some point they did this to themselves, and i’m not sure where that point is. (granted, israel has committed numerous war crimes throughout this conflict, i’m not absolving them of that one either, don’t worry) neither party is particularly intelligent here.
Yeah, leftists would never support genocide in order to protect their own power structure. Except for that one time… Or that other time… And also…
But i’m sure you’d never see leftist college students TODAY running around LARPing as murderous ethno-nationalists.
But man, those liberals… Crazy, right?!
How exactly are these images supporting your claim of “college students LARPing as murderous ethno-nationalists”? Because they’re wearing a Kufiya?
Historically, Palestine as an ethno-nationalist movement, formed in opposition to Jewish return. The keffiyeh as a political symbol, only gained widespread popularity as a means to hide one’s identity from British authorities while protesting Jewish immigration - protests like mob violence, lynchings, burning businesses and homes, etc. Kind of like a Klan hood.
You’re just wrong on this one. Palestine existed way before the Zionist movement. If a group of people move into your ancestral home and tell you, “hey my fairy tale book here says this place is mine” will you leave quietly? Palestinian protests stem from this problem. Saying a keffiyeh is equivalent to a klan hood is fucking bizarre, because keffiyehs are a cultural symbol that come from people living in arid climates. It has become a political symbol to support Palestine in this genocide taking place against them.
You’re just wrong on this one. Palestine existed way before the Zionist movement. If a group of people move into your ancestral home and tell you,
i believe this argument is supported in religious texts from both sides, which is part of the funny thing. Though it is true that israel sort of just appeared recently, that is a genuine thing that did happen.
But going through texts, palestine and israel are one in the same. They occupy the same land, granted i’m not an expert, obviously so take this with a grain of salt, but that seems to be the ultimate starting point of this conflict.
“It’s really not until the 1930s that we start to see the keffiyeh change in meaning, not by the patterning that’s in the scarf, but in its use.”
-Wafa Ghnaim, a Palestinian dress expert and a senior research fellow at the Metropolitan Museum of Art
“Until the 1920s, the keffiyeh was almost exclusively worn by Bedouin men, according to Ghnaim, and it was simply a way to identify nomadic men in historic Palestine from villagers, fellaheen, and town people.”
“According to Ghnaim, the first time we see the keffiyeh used as a political statement was during the Arab Revolt in Palestine in 1936 — an uprising against British rule that included demands for independence and an end to Jewish immigration.”
"At that time, the majority of the armed resistance was taking place in the villages, and the fighters used the keffiyeh to hide their features — helping it to become associated with the revolution. The revolution’s leaders issued an order for men to wear the keffiyeh to express solidarity with the revolutionaries and so that the British could not distinguish the fighters from others."
“In the 1960s, it became associated with Palestinian nationalism, particularly due to its adoption by leaders like Yasser Arafat. During this era, it represented solidarity and resistance against the Israeli occupation.”
“Around the same time, the fedayeen — a term used to describe nationalist Palestinian militants — conducted guerilla operations while wearing the keffiyeh.”
“Other prominent Palestinians also donned the keffiyeh during that time, included Leila Khaled — who was involved in two plane hijackings in 1969 and 1970 as part of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.”
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/06/1216150515/keffiyeh-hamas-palestinians-israel-gaza
Right, none of which is ethno-nationalism. British rule colonised a ton of countries around the world, a lot of which revolted against them. Why is Palestine any different in this case? Because they fought against Jewish immigration who openly declared that they wanted to take over the land? That’s not immigration, that’s invasion.
“Openly declare they want to take over the land” “invasion” - your hatred and paranoia towards Jewish existence is palpable in that statement. It echos two thousand years of Jewish persecution. The 1948 border were acceptable to all parties but the Arab coalition. Now 80 years later they wish they had taken the deal.
Jews aren’t foreign invaders, they’ve literally always been in the levant. We never fully left, despite the efforts of multiple foreign empires. Most of the Jews who came to israel, came fleeing the various ethno-nationalist movements of 19th and 20th century Europe and the Middle East.
That’s not an invasion, that’s a refugee crisis. Notice the difference between how Europe and North America treat foreign refugees, vs the Palestinians. If you show up in dearborn Michigan, you might get some nasty rumors spread about you - if you show up in gaza as a Jew, you’ll get your head cut off on a Livestream unless you act in service to their hybrid war on Israel.
Palestinian nationalism is an offshoot of Arab nationalism (which itself is a reaction to Turkish, German, and ultimately French nationalism). They’re all ethno-nationalist movements, to varying degrees.
There’s no version of a unified Palestinian state where Jews aren’t basically enslaved and robbed of everything they’ve built there. Jewish independence in the middle east is an entirely rational self-defense measure against Muslim Arab Supremacy. Just look at how the Kurds are faring - and they aren’t even Kafir.
It might have been nice if Ol Biden had actually given a shit about the coup attempt and pushed to have the people at the top of the food chain tried for it. We might have avoided this whole situation if Trump had been tried while he was still persona non grata. Instead, his admin chose to treat it like any other criminal enterprise instead of the existential threat it was. Now we are all paying for it and I doubt the country will survive.
These people are co-workers and collaborators. They’re not putting each other in jail.
Biden was too old or naive to recognize that the era of civility in politics was over. At the very least, SCOTUS ruling that presidents are essentially kings should’ve kicked him in the ass. I guess thx for the economy Joe, but it wasn’t nearly enough.
the era of civility in politics was over
I’m not sure that’s the case, though of course the demented rapist in office is a hell of an argument for it. I just think he’s the worst possible combination of huckster, narcissist, dementia sufferer, and russian intelligence. So far, yes, yes.
Rational discussion still exists, and it can be about politics - just not with any of these pithed clowns in power.
IMO the civility era has been over at LEAST since Turtle McConnell made it his mission to block everything he could coming from a black president.
I would say it would go far back as shit heel Newt Gingrich as the Speaker.
To be fair, a large majority of Americans didn’t acknowledge the threat until very recently. In general, politicians do not go for bold moves unless they feel they have a large support from the population.
They be brainwashed by the education system.
I was taught that if a bully bullies you, you’re supposed to not fight back, and only talk to the adults who will give them a stern warning.
The adult version is going to the police/courts and reporting someone for harassement.
The politician version is just apointing someone in the “middle” of your party and the opponent party’s political views (Merrick Garland) and then don’t do much investigation because it would seem like “persecuting political opponents”, or breaks “norms and traditions”
Like motherfucker, if a bully hit me, I’ll beat his/her ass (arrest trump). If I ran a school club, I’m gonna ban them (14th amendment disqualification). If was doing group projects, I’m fucking kicking them out, or I’ll leave and just do it myself (secession).
Fuck the BS school admin “just ignore the bully”
Fuck that, beat the bully. If everyone just beat up the school bully on sight, they wouldn’t be bullying any longer.
So, so, so very right on, dude. This is the situation, and that is the answer.
Yeah, agreed, but I think he’s at fault for not wanting to appear to use the justice system to attack political rivals. The fact that Garland was a slack@$% mf or that Aileen Canon is a cunt non-pariel isn’t his fault, but it sure added to the turd circus we got dropped on us.
And of course hindsight is 20/20.
“When I wasn’t directly affected things were good!” Do better, guys.
“When things were better, things were better” is a bad thing to say now?
Better for who? The homeless? The poor? The non white? The queer? The women? Oh yeah things were better for everyone and that sets the standard of bad now.
Things are worse for all of those people now.
Things WERE better for queer people and women, what the fuck? Under biden it was getting better rights were being strengthened.
Nobody said perfect. But all of those parties are far worse now than they were, or would have been with Harris.
Stop letting perfect be the enemy of progress. You’re helping prevent things from improving.
They said better. Not good.
Same old song in every country. Trying to talk actual economics with someone who votes for the right shows how little they care about facts and how much their decisions are based on feelings and what they’re told by the people they consider their superiors.
Which is why you should never talk to any of them. It’s like playing chess with a pigeon.
Actually sweatie there’s no difference between liberals and conservatives, Trump isn’t doing anything the LIBS wouldn’t have done and minorities are no worse off than they were before, also Bernie is controlled opposition and a shitlib
/s
Actually sweatie
actually sweatie
Literally had me going…
Can’t tell if you’re pretending to be maga or tankie
Is there a difference?
Tankies at least aren’t as racist, I guess.
Take a deeper look into the genocides the Communist countries did and are still doing. It’s very uncommon that a genocide isn’t racist.
Yeah, you’re right.
Thank fuck there’s some sense on this platform.
Edit: 🤣 Lemmy never fails me!
The libs who led us directly into fascism now have nothing to offer but sarcasm and condescension… Pretty typical. You forgot to blame the voters though.
There is a difference between the Biden and Trump administrations. One is an overt Nazi, the other is a Nazi collaborator.
Here I go again, taking the bait.
- Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
- The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
- Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
- Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
- I doubt anyone could destroy USA’s international prestige and credibility as quickly as Trump has
Here I go again, taking the bait.
- Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
lolwut. The guy literally said that Israel should “finish the job”.
- The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
Lina Kahn has left the room.
- Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”.
- Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
“Cut one and we all bleed.”
I really think that “the imperial core” is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the “AES” states (the big two are not socialist states). Both Russia and China are also driving hard on exploiting the global South and erosion of US soft power results in reducing checks on that as well as increasing the possibility of further hot wars.
Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South. Really seems that you’re less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.
Forget it, Jake. It’s .ml town.
Ok! First off, thanks for engaging instead of the ol’ donvote-and-run
The guy literally said that Israel should “finish the job”.
Few things. First, don’t confuse words with actions (ESPECIALLY with Trump). He got the ceasefire done before even taking office.
Secondly, I definitely think he’s a soulless ghoul who would sell out the Palestinians for any reason or no reason at all. The point in this argument is that he exposed the blatant dishonesty of the Democrats.
Lina Kahn has left the room.
Like - good for her and the Biden White House for nibbling around the edges. Good thing they actually passed laws and not just regulations that will get immediately dismantled when the pendulum swings. In America, CAPITAL ALWAYS WINS
Which is only fully captured because anti-electoralists/accelerationists approach to changing the party has been “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”.
Unfortunately this one is frankly ridiculous. You literally think the arrow of causation goes in that direction instead of people becoming disillusioned after trying to make change inside the party? People try to make change, discover Capital is in complete control, and abandon “civility”.
“Cut one and we all bleed.”
I fully 100% endorse this statement. I lament the loss of lifesaving aid. I lament MORE the decades of self-determination that were stolen by the USA.
I really think that “the imperial core” is pretty cringe, considering the imperialistic expansionist policies of the “AES” states (the big two are not socialist states).
Are you an ultraleftist? Which countries have Capital on a leash and which countries are on Capital’s leash? Think carefully before answering.
Adding to that, removal of funding for vaccination and other health initiatives is a net negative for the global South.
Sure, if we are only counting that I fully agree. We haven’t even talked about the collapsing effect food aid has on local food economies.
Really seems that you’re less supportive of developing nations and more just wanting the West to lose, even if it means everyone else in the world is wise off.
I definitely want the West to lose, that’s not in question. The better question is: Is the Global South suffering because the US just hasn’t dropped enough rice out of C130s or because of decades of exploitation?
In America, CAPITAL ALWAYS WINS>
Pretty much sums up your entire philosophy and why no one takes tankies seriously. Literally leaving no room to discuss fixing America. You just want to destroy it which is clearly why you want Trump and will ignore every reasonable point. Stop being evil
Rejecting capitalism doesn’t equate to accepting authoritarianism, although many people seem to equate socialism with its authoritative flavor automatically.
There are other possibilities, like basic socialism, anarchism, and communitarianism.
Are you suggesting I equated the two? It seems you’re the one relating the two. You’re comment seems irrelevant to the point I’m making. I apologize if it I didn’t make it clear: I’m anti tankie, not pro capitalist
Pretty much sums up your entire philosophy and why no one takes tankies seriously.
Per your original comment, yes. Pro communist tankies aren’t the same as socialists. Wish more people wouldn’t make that equation.
It’d be like me saying that liberals are just MAGAts, when you clearly have different liberal factions like centrists and Social Democrats, and conservative factions like libertarians and fascists.
Pretty much sums up your entire philosophy and why no one takes tankies seriously.
Do you think Capital ever loses in the US? Do you think it could ever lose in the future? How would that come about?
Literally leaving no room to discuss fixing America.
I mean it’s really really bad. I don’t personally think it can be fixed without first acknowledging the atrocious history and deep structural contradictions, but it sounds like you disagree?
You just want to destroy it
I mostly want the American imperial period to end which is a different thing.
you want Trump
For the record I didn’t want him elected but I am quite amused by his bumbling teardown of the imperial project
and will ignore every reasonable point.
What reasonable point are you accusing me of ignoring?
Stop being evil
Evil is certainly in the eye of the beholder
Do you think Capital ever loses in the US?
The US literally started as a rebellion against the capital holders in England you dunce. Plantation owners of the South lost. Robber barons of the 1920s lost. There are countless incidents where does happen even if it’s not enough. You need go touch grass if that’s a genuine belief you have.
I don’t personally think it can be fixed without first acknowledging
Bullshit. You have zero interest in ever considering anything beyond “America bad”.
What reasonable point are you accusing me of ignoring?
There’s a post bringing up many that you just shrugged off already eg Dems supporting Lena Khan who made exceptional progress breaking up tech monopolies you clown.
Evil is certainly in the eye of the beholder
And the beholder would have to blind to think you are anything but a disingenuous monster that wants to push policy that hurts people. You’re an accelerationist. You are evil.
So much name-calling in this comment LOL.
The US literally started as a rebellion against the capital holders in England you dunce. (Cheap insult 1)
When Capital holders fight against each other, that’s not the same as fighting against Capital. The local ruling class instigated the revolution and richly benefited from its results.
Plantation owners of the South lost.
Yes, I think this is one of the few examples in American history where “assets” (human being slaves in this case) were forcibly repatriated from the ruling class
Robber barons of the 1920s lost.
Yes, I believe that for all his other faults FDR faced down the fascist coup and actually did some progressive policies. The Democratic party has thoroughly squandered that legacy for 70 years
There are countless incidents where does happen even if it’s not enough. You need go touch grass if that’s a genuine belief you have. (Cheap insult 2)
Can you kindly tell me a substantial policy win that has weakened Capital in the last 70 years?
Bullshit. You have zero interest in ever considering anything beyond “America bad”.
So you actually know what I believe and desire? How fascinating
There’s a post bringing up many that you just shrugged off already eg Dems supporting Lena Khan who made exceptional progress breaking up tech monopolies you clown. (Cheap insult 3)
Pray tell what tech monopoly did she break up?
And the beholder would have to blind to think you are anything but a disingenuous monster that wants to push policy that hurts people. You’re an accelerationist. You are evil.
This is just a lot of projection and backlash. It seems you have literally no idea what I believe or what my policy preferences are, yet you are more than happy to assign me MAXIMUM EVIL in your worldview. Do you think that could be because of the propaganda you have been subjected to your whole life?
Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws
Surely the dems are just as bad.
- Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that
Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.
Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.
Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.
Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws
I certainly agree that all those policies favor Capital.
Surely the dems are just as bad.
The Democrats haven’t struck a real blow against Capital since FDR. The pattern is basically: they do something small with great fanfare, leave a bunch of carve outs for friendly interests, then roll over once there is any resistance. I invite you to provide a counter example from the past 70 years
- Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that
Glad we agree.
Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.
This has been discussed elsewhere in this thread. Here’s a fun piece to add: Which president started the global AIDS initiative?
Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.
Do we actually know what the material conditions are on the ground in the new Sahel states? Seems we have been subject to a media blackout about it. I’m personally cautiously optimistic because of their strong stance against neocolonialism but we have very little information. It’s also worth pointing out that despite Russia and China being close strategic allies at the world level, their foreign policies are wildly different.
Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.
What’s actually funny is how the libs in this thread keep missing my actual point. I definitely never said he ended the war, but he did get the ceasefire done that Joe Biden claimed to have been working on for years. Donald Trump claims to not give a shit about the Palestinians yet got the ceasefire done. Joe “Proud Zionist” Biden claims to care about the plight of the Palestinians yet did less to end their suffering. The point is that Democratic lip service is often worse or equivalent to the Republicans’ more honest cruelty, especially in foreign policy
Regarding the ceasefire: One had already happened under Biden and the plans and terms for this one were also hammered out under Biden. Netanyahu deliberately held out. Now, this second ceasefire was also violated numerous times which didnt even draw any reaction from the Trump government.
Democratic limp dicked “support” for Palestinians got Aid sent into the strip and atleast preserved a veneer of trying to solve the crisis. Trump on the other hand got his ceasefire and then dipped. Oh wait, he did not dip. He called several times for the complete expulsion of all Palestinians, has encouraged the Knesset and after Israel continued its invasion, the White House issued statements supporting this.
To pretend that this admin, which is now actively and wholeheartedly supporting every action the IGF is taking, is even on the same level as the Biden admin, is laughable.
The “new” sahel states are going great: In Mali, Wagner Troops shoot civilians, Malian Refugees get raped while trying to cross the border into Niger and there are still large scale famines. Elections have been abolished, because Goïta just knows best.
In Niger, the nationalization of the Uranium Mines was never fully realized, instead it’s used as an insurance policy for the new Junta to stay in power. As long as foreign Powers acknowledge the legitimacy of the Junta, they can keep extracting Uranium. The main trigger for this coup wasnt “anti-neocolonialism”, but the impending replacement of Tchiani as Head of the Presidential Guard. This guard conducted a coup and to noones surprise, the new Head of State is now Tchiani.
In Guinea, the current Junta first claimed, they’d hold elections in 2024 to transition back to civilian government. Now they claim to do in 2026. Meanwhile, they are busy pardoning convicted warcriminals (copying the trump playbook here). Economically, no improvement has happened.
Let’s go to Burkina Faso: Wagner is incapable of holding the insurgency back. Djibo, supplied by air lift until the expulsion of the French Airforce, is right now turning into Leningrad. Traoré’s initial reason for both his coups and the expulsion of the French was a lack of success in repelling this Islamic Insurgency. The situation is now worse than it has been in 2021. Oh, and again, Elections were pushed back until 2029.
They replaced French Neocolonialism with Russian Neocolonialism, called it liberation and then its business as usual. Top down oppression, selling off natural resources in order to finance your own grip on power and maybe a different flavor of ethnic violence.
Less taking bait and more leaving bait.
Interesting, what makes a comment “bait” in your view?
List of statements that you know will piss people off and make them argue.
And you are saying in your view that applies to my comment but not the comment I’m replying to?
Yeah, I think the comment you replied to would be more accurately be called trolling. It wasn’t specifically inviting a response, just being insulting.
Ok, I think that’s a fair enough description then. I found the caricature annoying and didn’t want to leave it unanswered
It’s time to post the two Santas again.
First, the Two Santas strategy dictates, when Republicans control the White House they must spend money like a drunken Santa and cut taxes to run up the U.S. debt as far and as fast as possible.
This produces three results: it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy; it raises the debt dramatically; and it makes people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.”
Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.
Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.
Confirmed, Drump crossed the streams lmao
Is the enemy both strong and weak in fascism? Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as “at the same time too strong and too weak”.
You ever notice how the Nazis talked about the Jews being at the same times in control of the entire world economy and various plots and organizations while at the same time stating that they were an inferior race that needed to be stamped out because they were too incompetent to self-govern?
I noticed this year before already too, and if you look at the graphs it’s just impossible to understand how much of an idiot you have to be to vote Republican.
Then Sarah Palin came by and it really showed bottom of the barrel, or so I thought.
Now we’re here…
… and it really showed bottom of the barrel
And then someone knocked from beneath.
Be careful saying this around here, you’ll be labeled a lib, crucified, and stalked by tankies.
Democrats main motive while in power is also to make money for themselves, in a less stupid and obnoxious way than Trump.
This meme is liberal propaganda, how the Democrats booming economy helped the average american ?
Spoiler it has not, but weapons manufacturers getting those billions of public spending to support Israël. And I’m sure the friendly and nice people that are Democrats do have so shares in them.
What a clown show they just have nothing to do and they’ll end up getting elected and doing the same thing. That is if the whole countries has not turned to civil war before the next election of course.
The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats look for long-term, stable corruption while Republicans want to get as much as they can as soon as possible.
real shit. i cannot believe that people are still praising the democrats and calling anyone left of center a “tankie”
Tankies are not left of center nor ever have been.
And don’t forget being called a Nazi genocide apologist lmao
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Bring it.
Based. Tankies can blow me.
