Nearly 90 million people didn’t vote in the USA 2024 election. If you don’t want to become an American, don’t act like one.
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Yeah I really think it’s time to move away from focusing on these people’s trivial grammatical errors etc. and turning them into memes to amuse each other. Do less of that. Yesterday I saw that Trump misapplied the word “country” to the EU, and played golf instead of visiting the graves of veterans. That’s just fluff, folks. All it does is prove you’re obsessed with every word he says and every step he takes or doesn’t take. More important are the implications of what he’s doing - like what are the consequences of opening national forests to logging? What does he personally stand to gain from that? (because everything he does is for his own gain) How will it advance the MAGA agenda? That’s the stuff we have to think about, not how he misspells things or what he eats for breakfast.
This is exactly how it should be handled. Don’t let the Republican party have an escape path of pushing out away from 47 when the policies turn the US economy and world standing to shit.
It is The Republicans who are doing this, all of them, not just some single psychotic politician. The GOP should never be trusted with even the power of a city commision job ever again adter this all blows up. The 33% (or whatever it is) of the possible voters who chose red should bear full responsibility for what they have approved happening. They can’t just say they “couldn’t have known”.
I don’t understand “couldn’t have known”-ers, I knew, so why can’t you?
Nobody is immune to propaganda, even me.
There are a ton of people that can’t entertain the hypothetical. They can’t understand until it impacts them personally.
It’s truly “could have known but didn’t bother” for that lot.
New rule: Suspect and distance yourself from anyone who says, “you’re only voting/volunteering/donating/canvassing/protesting/contacting representatives, etc. iT’s NoT gOiNg To aCcoMpLiSh AnYtHiNg!”. Yeah, doing nothing and trying to get others to do the same is the only way to guarantee nothing changes!
Absolutely! There is no good reason to oppose protests but here are a few of the ones I’ve seen around here:
- It’ll put you on the list for ‘no reason’
– If nonviolent protest will put you on ‘the list’, then you’re already on the list. We’re all on the list. But it’s a big list, because we have the numbers on our side.
- It accomplishes nothing!
– No, nothing accomplishes nothing. If your choices are between “nothing” and “something”, do something. If your choices are between “nothing” and “vague appeal to violence”, that’s not a choice, that’s a trap. Even people who believe in those solutions would never try to dissuade you! because public unrest would obviously only help their cause.
- You’re provoking them! They’ll enact martial law!
– No, they provoked us. they are not ‘waiting for an excuse’. Nonviolent protests and the exercise of free speech do not provoke oppression, that is victim-blaming.
If they want violence, they will bring the violence, and manufacture whatever excuses they need. Please see the Reichstag fire.
People who say “do nothing” are full of shit, but there’s some merit to “we need to escalate yesterday”. Getting swept up in the tide and not noticing where you actually stand is the second-worst thing you can do, the worst of course being not doing anything.
thank you for this.
fuck off with that shit. some of us see that more direct action needs to be taken. you can pussyfoot around all you want to. i don’t have to agree with it.
so take direct action then. just know there are many ways to resist.
The Republican Party will absolutely try disassociate from Trump if it becomes clear that they are going to lose votes due to his policies. But they had their chance in January of 2020 to fix the Trump problem and they did not. So they are 100% complicit.
and they all need to be treated as not only traitors to this country, but to humanity itself. they are not people anymore, and their own humanity should be disregarded when dealing with them.
What is the point of not saying Trump’s name?
To me, solely referring to him as ‘47’ or something along those lines just comes off as childish or petty. Can anyone explain a reasoning behind this?
Trump is a diva lightning rod. He lives on attention. As well by blaming him directly you indirectly absolve his surrounding Republican party. Meaning when trump dies or goes away, they can slot in JD vance and because trump ate all the complaints they will be given leeway to continue their fascism
Ding ding ding
Problem is that it does feel damn satisfying to aim the vitriol directly at him. But even bad PR is good PR as they say.
I can live with this idea. Other than when how much I actively and intentionally want him to suffer in every way possible. I don’t want him to know death until he explores the full spectrum of pain and as he goes I hope he starts to see signs that everything he’s ever done start to fall apart and that he will be forgotten quickly.
Basically I want the absolute worst death humanly possible. To the infinityeth power.
I took it to mean we need to shift the focus of conversation to the entire republican administration, as per point 10.
When I first read that sentence I thought it referred to Luigi
The second part makes sense but I don’t understand what the use of the first highlighted point is supposed to accomplish?
It’s not like he is Voldemort.
I inferred the goal was to accurately place blame on the entire party. If this ever ends, we don’t want the Republican party to be like “oh yeah that guy was crazy but you can trust us.”
The Republican party should never be trusted again.
i mean, you’d have to be an idiot to have to be told that.
Republican voters are often idiots, so that checks out.
The purpose seems to be twofold. One, he is a narcissist, and it may upset him, which is neat. The more important one is to not trigger people’s emotional response to Trump, and talk about specific policies and issues close to home. People mention Trump and their critical thinking skills get replaced with extreme anger or misplaced love.
also, it’s a keyword that probably brings attention from some shadowy doge surveillance network.
This! Everything you say on the internet can be read and scraped by bots. If things go full naz1 they could criminalize anyone for saying anything. Don’t give them key words to easily search for. Use 1337 speak if necessary.
Yeah, after Trump’s first term when everyone referred to him as “T****”… that shit didn’t work at all.
He henceforth shall be called “The liar”.
It’s just virtue signaling. It’s about letting other know how much you hat Trump.
It is childish.
Love these suggestions.
As for #1, my name for him is HitlerPig. That’s the name given by the young staffers in the Biden White House, and I found it simulateously vicious, hilarious, and accurate. I try to only use that name when posting, and I encourage others to use it as well.
My alternate name for him is Agent Krasnov, or just Krasnov, which is the code name given to him by Soviets when he visited them in 1987. They were shocked at how easily manipulated he could be by feeding him cheap, insincere flattery. I’ve seen lots of people use Krasnov.
As a person with a strong arts background, I also appreciate the call to support the arts. Beauty is an effective antidote for evil.
The one thing I slightly disagree with is attaching the Republicans to him. Its true, of course, but I orefer to refer to them as MAGA, or Nazis, or MAGA Nazis. The Republicans are facilitating them, to be sure, but the subset of the Republican party, the MAGA Nazis, need to be demonized and dehumanized. They are the true enemy, and we need to turn the Traditional Republicans against them, if we are ever going to crush them ruthlessly and mercilessly, and purge them from our government and society.
It will have to be our Democratic FDR, making an unholy alliance with the Republican Stalin, to destroy the MAGA Nazis and their Fuhrer.
If the republicans don’t want to be attached to him, they should do something about it.
The Republicans, loud and quiet, have been the enemy the whole time, for decades and decades. When the chips are down they support the MAGA crowd without much real hesitation and their threshold for what is evil is still disgusting. The Democrats are barely even halfway to decent, the GOP shouldn’t even be considered as a legitimate policy-making party.
Do not give them scapegoats for free. Do not let them pretend that they’re “the good ones”. Do not condition yourself to believe that there is any good to be found in the GOP. Anyone against their “policies” to the point of being an actually good person would not be there and the US would be counting it a lucky day if they even made it anywhere within the Democrats.
I orefer to refer to them as MAGA, or Nazis, or MAGA Nazis.
I call them MAGAts (pronounced maggots).
As for #1, my name for him is HitlerPig
My alternate name for him is Agent Krasnov‘Alternate names’ are infantile and asinine. Why not just call him ‘doodyhead’ while you’re at it?
He does it routinely, Rush Limbaugh did it routinely (maybe where HitlerPig got it), and it’s effective. They do it because they think it bothers their enemies, which means it would REALLY bother them if it were returned.
These rich, entitled, sociopathic assholes think that their money buys them respect and insulation from the ugliness of the world, most of which originates with them. Anything that tarnishes their lives and makes them feel like normal people, might make them start feeling some empathy.
I don’t really believe that will happen, but I can still take pleasure in irritating them, denying them the insulation they think they’re entitled to because of their money. They deserve to be as unhappy as the people they exploit.
‘Regime’ is the word. ‘Republican regime’.
Lemmy is seriously struggling with #6
Not just lemmy
Hard not to feel that way, though.
And we need to address that instead of giving in.
I disagree I think we just disagree on the powers we need to use.
I prefer to refer to him as President Felon. President Sexual Molester works as well.
President Felon is good. It can be ambiguous as to who you are talking about
I feel like 47 sort of legitimizes him in ways undeserved.
MLK worked to make change because Malcolm X and Black Panthers existed, and because of MLK being assassinated.
1 & 2 are probably good pieces of advice, but hard to follow.
3 is at this point verging on obvious. But I don’t even want to “argue” with the disillusioned ones let alone those that are still firm MAGA. I want to do bad things to them that I don’t feel entirely safe to admit explicitly here.
5 & 6 though… I don’t know. Maybe we’ll get past this but I’ll always have the knowledge that most of my fellow citizens are bad people. That is simply hopeless. There is no escaping that knowledge.
I’m basically going to forever have a potential litmus test for people born before 2007 or so on how to treat them. Asking them who they voted for in 2024. Sure, they can lie but that’s fine. If they’re ashamed enough to lie then that at least softens my perspective on them a little anyway.
Why is 2007 your magic mark?
I was born 13 years before that and in only 31. Sure I’m not young but you must be if you think people my age are the reason America is so fucked up
I think its because people born before 2007 are those old enough to vote in the 2024 election. Those born after are incompatible with the test.
That makes sense i guess.
Australians didn’t get a say either though
Yup, full of USA defaultisum.
There are other disqualifications other than age or US citizenship that I wouldn’t ask about. Not about to ask a whole questionnaire.
I suppose I could break it down to “Were you legally allowed to vote in the US 2024 election?”
Oh yeah, all we do is copy them
Why is 2007 your magic mark?
Not the person you replied to - it’s because you have to be 18 to vote. Hence the litmus test for those born before.
That last part is a hell of an insight.
Lump dems in with it too. It is actions of the entire US government. Until you stand up and make a demonstrable difference and change the trajectory, you are part of the problem and not the de facto solution because you hide behind a cowardly two party system.
No, don’t lump dems in with the reps. There is a difference between those parties. It is impossible that some mystical third party will rise in the next 4 years and take over the white house. The US election system sure makes sure of that. There is a big and real difference between the Biden administration and the 47 administration. If Harris was president right now, we wouldn’t have this whole mess.
I’ll just copy and paste from another conversation:
While their history of curtailing civil rights under the cover of counterterror is certainly fucked up what really makes everyone suffer isn’t what Democrats do; it’s what they don’t do. Democrats are neoliberals working under a mostly neoliberal status quo so frankly they don’t need to do anything except maintain that while occasionally giving the working class breadcrumbs to dissipate activist energy, and now you should ask yourself: What is the (pre-2025) status quo? Is that not one under which everyone suffers? Real wages (until Biden) keep falling, people can’t find homes to live, homelessness is at an all-time high, the climate crisis isn’t going anywhere, etc etc. Most of the time Democrats aren’t malevolent actors, but they’re seatwarmers who via their very existence and addiction to power (and donor money) prevent the working class from seizing political power and effecting real change. They also fight anything resembling such organization (see: Bernie 2016 and 2020, Jamaal Bowman). Democrats have coopted leftwing politics and turned them into capitalism that will fuck you slightly less, so rather than a tug of war between progress and reaction you have reaction pulling and “progress” condemning it in strongly worded letters. Biden breaking the railroad strike (you’ll see people saying that he gave them their demands later, but that’s untrue) was also pretty horrible.
As for giving legitimacy to fascism you have surveillance laws, bombing brown people in the Middle East (both during Obama and Biden’s terms), going after anti-Zionist protesters, adopting the Republican stance on immigration (including Trump’s stupid border wall), never actually going after the fascists and of course touting bipartisanship and compromise with the fascists.
Note: These are both non-exhaustive lists, as I only follow the general beats of American politics. You’ll get far more exhaustive ones from American leftists.
Democrats are never going to give you anything other than a red carpet for fascism to walk on.
Yeah, no. Please don’t do this “both-sides are bad” thing the GOP was pushing when Hillary was running against Trump. Take a look at what Trump is doing - that would never happen under Biden or Harris or Clinton.
Okay I don’t like talking like this, but if you read all this and only thought “both sides bad” you need to learn reading comprehension. Trusting the Democrats to beat fascists is demonstrably a failed proposition. No matter how much you unite behind them, a screwdriver can’t become a hammer. You know the definition of insanity right? Harris 2024 would’ve accomplished nothing except lay down the groundwork for Trump (or whoever else the GOP props up if he dies) 2028.
Krasnov is also acceptable
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What happens tomorrow?
Just look at the feed. The triggers that indicate that the US market is about to drop are all triggered from Asia. When the US market opens tomorrow we will see a new record for the biggest drop in the market in US history. There will likely be more than one of those records broken this week. These arbitrary nonsense tariffs are an act of terrorism and the stupidity bomb is only just starting to go off.
The stock market opens
Apparently Obama’s fault, according to this guy.
Seeing this narrative a lot on Lemmy. It’s not working. Expect them to change and try again.
