Trolley dilemma (for some people, for some strange reason). The situation is, unfortunately, normalized structural violence.
“Look guys I just made up a dilemma to mock at people that don’t exist”
All petrol cars kill people and should be illegal
Well… you can essentially apply this principle to everything that create pollutions
Sure, cars play an immense role but so do plastics, ACs, single use batteries…
All bathtubs can have enough water in them to drawn people and should be banned. (wot linda logic is that?!)
All bathtubs can kill people. All cars do kill people. I’m an environmental scientist. The PM pollution from cars will contribute to a death if you drive one through a residential area. It won’t be your fault alone, but you’ll share the blame.
Stop driving your car.
I was going to ask you, but then figured I could do my own research and just ask if you think it’s reasonable. According to Our World in Data, the WHO says 4.2 million people die every year from outside pollution. Again according to Our World in Data, road transport accounts for 11.9% of global greenhouse gas emissions. Obviously, that’s different to health-affecting pollution, and it might pollute more in places where people live compared to something like electricity generation which would likely be further from population, but it’s the best I could come up with. So that would mean we could attribute ~0.5 million deaths per year to road transport. According to Movotiv, there are 1.2 billion vehicles, 70 million daily driving trips, with an average distance of 15 km. That means a total annual distance traveled of ~383.25 billion km. So there’s 0.0035 deaths per year per vehicle, or 286 years per death per vehicle, and 1 death per 91,250km. That doesn’t sound right, and I blame the Movotiv statistics, unless I made a mistake. 300km/year for the average vehicle sounds ridiculously low, so something’s not right. I don’t have time to find the issue or better stats right now, but I might have a look later. In the interim, do you think my logic stacks up, or do you have better statistics?
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The argument being made is it is better to fuck up other people’s cars than to allow them to kill us.
Yes
But the religiously motorized will do anything and everything in their power to remain obtuse to that argument.
Yes, it’s called impunity.
How is this even a dilemma? Traffic engineers would never risk damage to a car to protect humans!
I think prisoner’s dilemma is more relevant: society would overall be safer is everyone drove small cars, but individuals engage in an arm’s race of bigger and bigger cars to make sure they’re not the ones to die if an accident should occur
That is one aspect, yes. The point here specifically is about choosing to* harm people in order to protect private property. This is related to what’s called Structural violence.
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