Graphic artist Rebecca Burke was on the trip of a lifetime. But as she tried to leave the US she was stopped, interrogated and branded an illegal alien by ICE. Now back home, she tells others thinking of going to Trump’s America: don’t do it
That would qualify as work according to the US gov. Because by doing these chores, you are potentially causing someone to not need to pay a nanny or whatever. Be careful how you define work – you don’t need to be directly paid.
By throwing your rubbish in a bin whilst in the USA, you are causing the city to not need to pay a litter picker to collect and throw your rubbish into a bin.
I know I’m just being silly, and I know you’re not wrong, I’m just sayin. There’s a thousand ways one could look at almost any action and suggest ways in which it is “work” if we define it as causing someone else to not have to do a job or get paid for something.
You’re not being silly, and it is wrong. Just because ICE is bending over backwards to drag people into this shit doesn’t make it right, and you shouldn’t fall for their gaslighting and normalization. It’s wrong, and you should feel confident in calling out how fucking absurd this shit is.
She was doing work for a benefit. It wasn’t cash, but it had value. If that wasn’t work, and therefore not taxable, everyone would just switch to getting paid in services and benefits that aren’t cash.
She was treated extremely harshly but she was working illegally. There are lots of digital nomads that do similar. They work in places where they are staying on a tourist visa, it’s illegal. I run a small business. When I am away on holidays overseas, my staff need to be paid. I log in and pay them while away. Technically that is in breach of my visa for most countries, I’d say.
Yep, ive applied for visas in many countries and loved in multiple, long term. You follow the rules or risk being deported. I’ve friends that were deported, and friends that took advantage of amnesties when they were available.
I know there are au pair visas in some countries to allow similar work with few restrictions and payment in kind. However, I think they mainly include child care.
What all those who think she shouldn’t have to follow the vis rules aren’t aware of is that she’s likely undercutting those that followed the rules and also that human trafficking takes advantage of people in arrangements like these and use your visa breach as leverage. Less commonly for people from countries like the UK, but it can happen to anyone.
It’s fine to hate on the oppressive state of America at the moment but those in breach of their visa conditions are not the best martyrs for a cause. The ones unfairly prosecuted for non visa breaches, like ethnicity and sexual orientation are what we need to fight.
Lol, you clearly have never done payroll. Payslips need to be generated timesheets entered and payments need to be authorized. Not all staff work full time or work on a fixed schedule, so set and forget a standing bank order is not viable. I would imagine that’s the case for most companies and businesses that employ hourly paid employees. Salried positions are generally in offices but even then they can vary.
You’re still not paying them from a personal account so you’re not doing business. Business accounts are not tied to a person, they’re tied to the company so their example makes no sense.
Also that’s not a correct interpretation of the law anyway, because obviously if the law worked like it would be fucking stupid.
so your rationale for believing this person is wrong about a foreign country’s laws, with notoriously complex immigration law, is that “it would be stupid”
i just feel like i need to point out how stupid these replies are, because if we have no sense of the truth, believing you over the other guy is just as stupid.
stop arguing immigration law online, talk to a lawyer
We are not arguing immigration law we’re arguing about whether or not paying your employees via remote payment services constitutes working.
Obviously it doesn’t
And actually no you’re incorrect that’s not how things work being sensible in online communications is a two-way street and this person isn’t being sensible they’ve put out an utterly ludicrous statement as a possible fact and everyone is calling them out for how utterly ridiculous that statement is. There’s no two siding this, they are wrong.
If it wasn’t me, the owner who did it, but it was someone on the payroll, like a manager. If they were on holidays, and had to do it as it’s their responsibility, is it now considered work?
Of course it’s work. It’s spending your time, doing a task for a business.
I feel like only one person calling you stupid isn’t enough, so I’d like to add that this is one of the stupidest collections of words I have ever read.
I genuinely hope you make statements like this in your daily life. After all, the world needs humor.
hey leave them alone. stupidity has nothing to do with it. are they right or wrong? sorry, but the facts matter here and I’m not trusting popular opinion to figure out immigration law
Google it. You’ll find out immigration law is a very amorphous place and when the people who make you legal or not also deport you they’re zero accountability. Trump already said to cancel all legal status of south Sudanese immigrants. That’s legal immigrants. He just decided they aren’t any more. No one’s talking about how entirely bullshit this is.
i was about to write an actual response but honestly, it’s entirely likely “you” aren’t even even a real person so i’m just going to tell anyone reading this to eat more fibre for better gut health.
fuck off with that dehumanizing shit. you can write off dissonant perspectives with whatever rationalization you want but dont call me a bot. all i said was “we shouldn’t get our facts from social media comments” especially when the only challenge is “that’s dumb”. and you think that sounds like some inflammatory bot out there slowing convos and sowing skepticism? on a tiny platform? are you kidding me
take your condescending faux advice and weaponized politeness elsewhere. apology is also welcome if you prefer
I want to know who narced on her.
She was just doing chores at houses in exchange for boarding. She wasn’t paid. She just did chores.
She narced on herself to Canada, then America overheard.
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That would qualify as work according to the US gov. Because by doing these chores, you are potentially causing someone to not need to pay a nanny or whatever. Be careful how you define work – you don’t need to be directly paid.
By throwing your rubbish in a bin whilst in the USA, you are causing the city to not need to pay a litter picker to collect and throw your rubbish into a bin.
I know I’m just being silly, and I know you’re not wrong, I’m just sayin. There’s a thousand ways one could look at almost any action and suggest ways in which it is “work” if we define it as causing someone else to not have to do a job or get paid for something.
You’re not being silly, and it is wrong. Just because ICE is bending over backwards to drag people into this shit doesn’t make it right, and you shouldn’t fall for their gaslighting and normalization. It’s wrong, and you should feel confident in calling out how fucking absurd this shit is.
morally wrong out factually wrong? yall Redditors are driving me nuts
It’s not work because you’re depriving someone of the job, it’s work because you are doing a task for a benefit. It’s just a non cash benefit.
She was doing work for a benefit. It wasn’t cash, but it had value. If that wasn’t work, and therefore not taxable, everyone would just switch to getting paid in services and benefits that aren’t cash.
She was treated extremely harshly but she was working illegally. There are lots of digital nomads that do similar. They work in places where they are staying on a tourist visa, it’s illegal. I run a small business. When I am away on holidays overseas, my staff need to be paid. I log in and pay them while away. Technically that is in breach of my visa for most countries, I’d say.
POS bootlicker
It’s sad to see factual comments like yours getting downvoted, because some just don’t want to hear this truth.
It doesn’t mean you support these kind of things happening, just that you understand the reasons they’re doing this shit…
And @ all the haters, get a life… you can disagree with the current rules, and how they’re enforced, but you can’t deny reality.
Yep, ive applied for visas in many countries and loved in multiple, long term. You follow the rules or risk being deported. I’ve friends that were deported, and friends that took advantage of amnesties when they were available.
I know there are au pair visas in some countries to allow similar work with few restrictions and payment in kind. However, I think they mainly include child care.
What all those who think she shouldn’t have to follow the vis rules aren’t aware of is that she’s likely undercutting those that followed the rules and also that human trafficking takes advantage of people in arrangements like these and use your visa breach as leverage. Less commonly for people from countries like the UK, but it can happen to anyone.
It’s fine to hate on the oppressive state of America at the moment but those in breach of their visa conditions are not the best martyrs for a cause. The ones unfairly prosecuted for non visa breaches, like ethnicity and sexual orientation are what we need to fight.
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Yea, no. This is only considered ‘work’ if you’re a physics teacher.
That’s the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard in my life.
You absolutely do not need to do anything to pay your staff it’s just a standing order bank transaction.
Lol, you clearly have never done payroll. Payslips need to be generated timesheets entered and payments need to be authorized. Not all staff work full time or work on a fixed schedule, so set and forget a standing bank order is not viable. I would imagine that’s the case for most companies and businesses that employ hourly paid employees. Salried positions are generally in offices but even then they can vary.
You’re still not paying them from a personal account so you’re not doing business. Business accounts are not tied to a person, they’re tied to the company so their example makes no sense.
Also that’s not a correct interpretation of the law anyway, because obviously if the law worked like it would be fucking stupid.
so your rationale for believing this person is wrong about a foreign country’s laws, with notoriously complex immigration law, is that “it would be stupid”
i just feel like i need to point out how stupid these replies are, because if we have no sense of the truth, believing you over the other guy is just as stupid.
stop arguing immigration law online, talk to a lawyer
We are not arguing immigration law we’re arguing about whether or not paying your employees via remote payment services constitutes working.
Obviously it doesn’t
And actually no you’re incorrect that’s not how things work being sensible in online communications is a two-way street and this person isn’t being sensible they’ve put out an utterly ludicrous statement as a possible fact and everyone is calling them out for how utterly ridiculous that statement is. There’s no two siding this, they are wrong.
If it wasn’t me, the owner who did it, but it was someone on the payroll, like a manager. If they were on holidays, and had to do it as it’s their responsibility, is it now considered work?
Of course it’s work. It’s spending your time, doing a task for a business.
You’re an idiot.
I feel like only one person calling you stupid isn’t enough, so I’d like to add that this is one of the stupidest collections of words I have ever read.
I genuinely hope you make statements like this in your daily life. After all, the world needs humor.
hey leave them alone. stupidity has nothing to do with it. are they right or wrong? sorry, but the facts matter here and I’m not trusting popular opinion to figure out immigration law
this place feels more like reddit lately
Google it. You’ll find out immigration law is a very amorphous place and when the people who make you legal or not also deport you they’re zero accountability. Trump already said to cancel all legal status of south Sudanese immigrants. That’s legal immigrants. He just decided they aren’t any more. No one’s talking about how entirely bullshit this is.
i was about to write an actual response but honestly, it’s entirely likely “you” aren’t even even a real person so i’m just going to tell anyone reading this to eat more fibre for better gut health.
fuck off with that dehumanizing shit. you can write off dissonant perspectives with whatever rationalization you want but dont call me a bot. all i said was “we shouldn’t get our facts from social media comments” especially when the only challenge is “that’s dumb”. and you think that sounds like some inflammatory bot out there slowing convos and sowing skepticism? on a tiny platform? are you kidding me
take your condescending faux advice and weaponized politeness elsewhere. apology is also welcome if you prefer
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That’s not work? That’s common courtesy! You stay at someones house so you help out.
If there is a contract it’s work.
If they are a friend. If you’re doing so as a trade, then it’s not a courtesy, it’s a transaction.
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