NGL if ya’lls ability to make rational appeals inherently relies on Luigi Mangione worship then you’re going to have a very difficult time just in general.
Even just using the un-photo-shopped Bernie Sanders original could swing the bias almost 50% in your favor when approaching the general public with your ideals.
Everybody loves Bernie. Only 18% approve of what Luigi did.
Ah, you are right regarding the full dataset. Thank you.
It’s strange that they start off with, and seem to focus on, the under-45 respondents unless they were trying to push a positive-viewpoint message. For that age group, it was 31% positive and 41% negative. However, this group seems like a better fit for the Lemmy/Reddit audience. Furthermore, left-leaning voters appear to be more positive in this poll than their right-leaning counterparts.
With all that in mind, I still think this meme works well and wouldn’t have been improved with Bernie.
I just want people to understand that just because many people on Lemmy love Luigi doesn’t mean there’s some secret silent majority in real life that does too. Most people don’t want to see people shot down in the streets, regardless of who they are. It makes them feel like they or their family might be next.
I think they framed the story that way because to boomers the level of support among younger people is the most shocking thing about this poll. To those of us in that demographic it seems a strange way to do it because that’s just how it is for us, so it’s not that noteworthy.
finitebanjo has some pretty obvious ‘lying with statistics’ vibes. He said only 18% approved of Luigi’s actions when I can say only 41% view Luigi’s actions as negative. They were just cherry picking some stats.
I dunno, that poll reads very much in favor of Luigi. The fact that a poll needs to be run in the first place for an act like this. To me anything that’s not strongly against this is showing some sort of support.
We’re dealing with the same idiots that think they can squash dissent by no longer allowing questions on company town halls. Doing literally anything continues to frustrate the fuck out of them as they realize they don’t have a paycheck to wave at us to keep us quiet. But, yes, anyone willing to do a little heavier lifting is always welcome.
Echo chambers are fine, as long as you don’t think they are reality and act accordingly. I am annoyed by willful ignorance, so I purposefully avoid becoming friends with willfully ignorant people. But, I remember that they exist and when they come after marginalized people, I am not afraid to engage them.
Yeah but few people seem to have this ability. I’m not sure it’s human nature. People tend to uncritically accept the opinions and statements of their peers as fact.
Maybe you are exceptional and this doesn’t apply but I tend to think it applies to everyone to some extent.
Yeah part of me wants to think I am immune but I think that’s my cognitive bias at work. But I do think I’m more skeptical than the average person, even if I’m not completely immune. People who think about and recognize these issues might have an extra layer of defense, if imperfect.
you actually can be pretty close to immune, vaccinated you might say, through meditation. you become very aware of how your thoughts arise, and how they really are not you. and the difference between thoughts and thinking.
the ol’ “try to think of what your next thought will be, and you won’t be able to” thing. But, sounds like you’ve already been practicing some self-awareness.
NGL if ya’lls ability to make rational appeals inherently relies on Luigi Mangione worship then you’re going to have a very difficult time just in general.
Even just using the un-photo-shopped Bernie Sanders original could swing the bias almost 50% in your favor when approaching the general public with your ideals.
Everybody loves Bernie. Only 18% approve of what Luigi did.
In your link below, 18% only includes “strong positive”. Why exclude “somewhat positive”?
Edit (correcting numbers as pointed out): 31% positive, 41% negative for the under-45 respondents. 19% positive, 61% negative overall.
It’s actually 19%, including both levels of support. Reading is hard for people I guess.
And for the record, 61% held a negative view. So OP is completely correct here.
Ah, you are right regarding the full dataset. Thank you.
It’s strange that they start off with, and seem to focus on, the under-45 respondents unless they were trying to push a positive-viewpoint message. For that age group, it was 31% positive and 41% negative. However, this group seems like a better fit for the Lemmy/Reddit audience. Furthermore, left-leaning voters appear to be more positive in this poll than their right-leaning counterparts.
With all that in mind, I still think this meme works well and wouldn’t have been improved with Bernie.
I just want people to understand that just because many people on Lemmy love Luigi doesn’t mean there’s some secret silent majority in real life that does too. Most people don’t want to see people shot down in the streets, regardless of who they are. It makes them feel like they or their family might be next.
I think they framed the story that way because to boomers the level of support among younger people is the most shocking thing about this poll. To those of us in that demographic it seems a strange way to do it because that’s just how it is for us, so it’s not that noteworthy.
Because they’re making their argument in bad faith, or they stopped after getting the part they wanted and didn’t bother looking any further.
Who is ‘they’? The ‘somewhat positive’ people are bad faith, or finitebanjo is bad faith?
This one. Sorry for the confusion.
finitebanjo has some pretty obvious ‘lying with statistics’ vibes. He said only 18% approved of Luigi’s actions when I can say only 41% view Luigi’s actions as negative. They were just cherry picking some stats.
Ah yes. The vibes. Always reliable. Except it’s actually 61% negative. Should I accuse you of lying now?
You are adding ‘not sure’ as a negative. I didn’t. That’s why statistics are so much fun.
No I’m not.
The difference is I don’t attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
Read the survey again. We are talking about the full population, not only young people.
Last numbers I saw in that kinda world, where very much higher then 18% not sure where you are pulling that figure from?
The poll which came out on December 13th 2024
https://stratpolitics.org/2024/12/unitedhealthcare-poll/
I dunno, that poll reads very much in favor of Luigi. The fact that a poll needs to be run in the first place for an act like this. To me anything that’s not strongly against this is showing some sort of support.
If anything it shows that less than half disapprove of Luigi’s actions. Only 41% have a negative view of his actions.
Aren’t statistics fun?
Yeah, that link shows 31%, not 18% for the under-45 respondents. Nearly a third of those have a positive approval of Luigi.
Edit: corrected to under-45 group.
That’s some insane mental gymnastics you have there…
We’re dealing with the same idiots that think they can squash dissent by no longer allowing questions on company town halls. Doing literally anything continues to frustrate the fuck out of them as they realize they don’t have a paycheck to wave at us to keep us quiet. But, yes, anyone willing to do a little heavier lifting is always welcome.
What are you even trying to express here? That’s just childish phrases glued together.
The people it is meant for know what it means. If you don’t, you’re either out of scope, or my enemy.
After all these years, people still don’t understand echo chambers.
Echo chambers are fine, as long as you don’t think they are reality and act accordingly. I am annoyed by willful ignorance, so I purposefully avoid becoming friends with willfully ignorant people. But, I remember that they exist and when they come after marginalized people, I am not afraid to engage them.
Yeah but few people seem to have this ability. I’m not sure it’s human nature. People tend to uncritically accept the opinions and statements of their peers as fact.
Maybe you are exceptional and this doesn’t apply but I tend to think it applies to everyone to some extent.
I’m not exceptional. I’m the same piece of shit as everyone else 😂 you’re right though, it doesn’t hurt to remind people to be cautious of them.
Yeah part of me wants to think I am immune but I think that’s my cognitive bias at work. But I do think I’m more skeptical than the average person, even if I’m not completely immune. People who think about and recognize these issues might have an extra layer of defense, if imperfect.
you actually can be pretty close to immune, vaccinated you might say, through meditation. you become very aware of how your thoughts arise, and how they really are not you. and the difference between thoughts and thinking.
the ol’ “try to think of what your next thought will be, and you won’t be able to” thing. But, sounds like you’ve already been practicing some self-awareness.