I like it, but please don’t wear this in public. You’re gonna scare some kids and make some parents angry and that’ll just feed the nazis. But it’s great for Saturday night’s or as a work outfit.
I like it.
Boy, there are a whole lotta shitty takes in this thread. Glad to start a conversation.
FC St. Pauli has better anti-Fascists shirts and I do not want to stoop to the level of a shit neo-Nazi MAGAt.
What are you talking about “stooping to their level”? We literally shot Nazis on-sight because they were such a threat.
Just because violence isn’t graceful, doesn’t mean it’s not necessary to end a threat to humanity. Sometimes it’s the moral thing to do. Some people are simply too dangerous to allow their existence.
Violence is everywhere even on shirts of those who are against it…
I’m not against violence at all.
Violence solves many problems.
I AM against authoritarian violence against the unprivileged.
Yeah that’s a hell of a shirt to wear though.
The message is clear, and people trying to defend the KKK and/or Nazis are the very same who need to see that message.
It’s a play on the “paradox of tolerance”. TLDR: If you tolerate intolerant people, the intolerant eventually work their way into power and authority.
See this is where you go off the rails. I support your idea and message but wearing a shirt of anyone getting their brains blown out is pretty hectic, divisive and inflammatory.
What part of the KKK and Nazis gave you the idea that they weren’t already hectic, divisive, and inflammatory? I would go as far as saying that it’s the whole point of the KKK and Nazis.
You cannot reason these people into acceptance of others who aren’t like them. The only way you can deal with a violent and intentionally cruel group is by meeting them with their own methods. They have no issues committing genocide, so why should I take the high road with them when they clearly have every intention of going low and taking cheap shots wherever they can?
People wearing shirts like this in public will absolutely stir the pot, but it will also cause some to think twice before committing acts of violence against marginalized groups, which is an improvement.
Those who react negatively to this imagery in defense of the KKK/Nazis are the ones you need to be worried about.
Those who react negatively to this imagery in defense of the KKK/Nazis are the ones you need to be worried about.
That is a wild statement and my entire point. That’s your thoughts, some people dislike violence full stop, regardless of who is committing and who is suffering the violence. I’m honestly struggling to think of a single socially acceptable place to wear the t-shirt outside of a protest. Even then, it’s like you’re hoping the protest turns into a riot.
Edit: and further, who the fuck said the KKK isn’t inflammatory etc? You guys really need to sit the fuck down and have a think about the shit you are spewing.
You clearly don’t want to understand my viewpoint here, so I’m just gonna leave.
Weird that people may be intolerant of the intolerant. Maybe don’t fetishize genocide if you can’t handle a little of that same energy back.
Is that reply to me? Lol
Didn’t think so?
As badly as I want this shirt, I could never wear it. Live in rural Oklahoma and it would cause nothing but fights. Sigh, oh to live anywhere but here
I live in Ohio and wear it regularly, though I’m getting more nervous about it as the days go on.
But fuck it.
It’d be 100x more effective if you were packing.
What makes you think I’m not! It IS Ohio after all.
(…I’m not 😕)
Oh he is.
😏
Good on you, keep at it as long as you are able, those who are in danger and stuck in the most dangerous places need to see someone sticking up for them the most. ✊
Living in Florida with two youngins, I can’t risk it. Some unpermitted asshat will blow me away without so much as a word. My wife has a banned books shirt and an Alt NPS shirt, and I worry. I have some science shirts and a Reading Rainbow (unofficial) books shirt, and I’m just waiting for a confrontation. It’s as far as I can risk.
Get armed, it’ll make the inevitable confrontation that much more of a teachable moment.
There would be no teachable moment for an aggressor in this confrontation.
You never show a gun until you are in a situation where you have no choice but to employ it. Never brandish. This isnt the movies.
Oh someone would definitely learn a lesson.
Yeah that feels like capitulation to me.
I get your point and I understand, but that’s literally how they win: by cowing us
How does a wearing a shirt help me beat them? Does it pass legislation? Does it organize protests? Does it unionize or strike?
It sounds like you want me to endanger myself for no good reason instead of doing something meaningful. Give me a break. I’m not cowing. I’m simply not taking unnecessary risks THAT WILL DO NOTHING.
I believe you. You and your family deserve safety too
<3
Self defense. Violent views that would not tolerate your very existence don’t qualify for tolerance.
Tolerance requires a mutual respect for each others’ coexistence. It’s kind of right on the label. You don’t have a meeting of the minds with someone whose premise begins and ends with denying that.
I bought the “Doom x John Brown” shirt from their site last year and, as a lifelong Doom fan and anti-confederate, really savor wearing it when I go out.
Fuck yes. I just got a sticker from Punk With A Camera that says:
“I don’t argue with people who John Brown would have shot”
I’m gonna buy that in my next order, hell yes.
God damn that is metal.
Imagine wearing this to public gatherings. It would probably ruin some relationships but the chaos it would cause would be so sweet.
Nazi sympathizers aren’t really people I want to have in my life.
That’s not the only people who’d distaste that.
But there are people who would dislike this because of the violence it depicts.
They’re allowed to. I don’t need that kinda weakness in my circle, tho.
I could stand to lose the relationships this would ruin
By punkwithacamera incase anyone’s wondering.
Thought it was one of theirs.
I had forgotten the name of this shop and was looking for it, thank you!! Lotta great stuff here
No problem mate :)
Fucking love that shop
First of all - yes, violence is the Nazi language, and probably the simplest way to get through to them. Pain and hurt is what they signed up for, and I wouldn’t mind giving it to them.
But also consider:
https://crimethinc.com/2019/04/08/against-the-logic-of-the-guillotine-why-the-paris-commune-burned-the-guillotine-and-we-should-tooThanks for this.
Also consider NKVD and how in Stalin’s USSR the enormous (real) trust Soviet state and revolutionary ideology had were spent on violence that weakened and poisoned the skeleton of that project before WWII fractured it. And then basically till USSR’s end it was mimicking its own alternative self that didn’t transpire because of repressions and war.
If you have a mechanism that doesn’t work right, repeatedly hitting it with a heavy object is the least likely approach to succeed.
Approval of violence is that.
Also see Lao-Tzu, “one who excels in fighting is never roused in anger”.
Interesting read.
Around 26 nazis didn’t appreciate this post.
Fascism by Eco includes lack of principle, that is, it’s an ideology without form, except for traits that result from lack of form, like violence and hierarchy, but also approval of competitiveness (in the form of backstabbing among others), collectivism and self-sacrifice.
What I mean is - maybe the picture will feel too fascist for your taste, if you meditate on it for some time without reading comments. It suggests a fascist (without any “maybe”) approach.
Surprised this hasn’t been removed for not being “safe enough.”
(I fucking love it)
Fuck em if they do!
It fits, though.
Thats shi do go hard, i love it.
That’s a Klansmen, not a Nazi.
Who cares, still valid in both sentiments.
I care about things being factually correct. I guess you don’t.
Brother, nazis were right wingers who demonized minorities. Anyone who punches down at vulnerable lgbt or ethic minority groups has the heart of a Nazi.
Okay StoneToss
They have similarly aligned goals, especially right now.
You pull the hood off a Klansman and there’s a Nazi under it.
Still counts
The klansman mask is on purpose because it hides the face. If you went out in public with an explicit image of a guy with a Nazi buzzcut getting his brains blown out, it would probably trigger some local law about public graphic images. This probably skirts the line, but is a ‘cartoon caricature’ so is still ok to wear out.
IANAL
They kind of are synonymous, no?
Not really.
Nazis would kill them too although there was some kind of KKK that joined the nazi party.
Given enough time nazis would exterminate christians too and the KKK is supposed to be some protestant anti-catholic group (but I guess that something all neo-nazis have in common, they think they would be allowed in the nazi party but they wouldn’t)
Edit. Apparently nazis didn’t know what to do exactly with black people they considered them inferior but weren’t prosecuted like the did with other minorities.
This digression is ethically questionable. I say we just burn ‘em on the same heap.
Wtf are you on about. Nazi Germany was overwhelmingly a Christian state. 54% protestant, 38% Catholic in 1939 census. Their plan was to eradicate themselves? No, the end goal was to create their own form of Nazified Christianity that would answer to the Nazi government. The Protestand Reich Church was their attempt at this.
They had no problem with Christians because they almost all were Christian themselves, they just wanted to remove power from the pre-existinf churches (Pope etc) by placing a new church under their own hierarchy.
Oh, that’s interesting. I’m not from America so I admittedly know very little about the Klan, but I always thought they operated with the same ideas as the Nazis in terms of their in-groups and out-groups. Thanks for the info!
Now you can go out and start your own chapter. Have fun!
