https://lemmy.ml/comment/16430292
Brave take at the top of the screenshot which was then flooded by minions of the grad.
I tried to not post any Cowbee because it was too easy but you’re welcome to check out the thread and post your own findings.
It IS transitional, shitlib 🙄 didn’t you read theory? It clearly says it’ll transition to a workers paradise after 500 years of capitalist dictatorship.
Trans rights for dictatorships 🏳️⚧️
I bit the onion
Well, socialism is supposed to be a transition to communism. The problem is that people suck, and none of the communist countries have ever managed to successfully make that transition.
Turns out, when revolutionaries tear down the government and get handed all the power, they suddenly hate the idea of a stateless society.
Yeah, usually the people who are good at running a revolution are not the same people you want running the government after the revolution.
What you call communism and what MLs call communism is usually different things. For them a state bureaucracy with wage labor below it is perfectly capable of being considered “stateless”. It’s quite absurd really.
But ML methods never create a stable socialist system. They all inevitably collapse into Capitalism proper.
I’ve heard this claim but only from critics. Is there somewhere I can find it from a ML writer? While I have heard some debate about what exactly stateless means from within anarchist thinkers, all were at least dramatically deconstructed compared to modern states. It’s hard to imagine how anyone could consider the idea of a stateless bureaucracy to be intellectually serious.
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml believes so and usually can argue at length about it. You can see if they’re in the mood to elaborate.
The problem is that people suck
Basically this. Socialism and communism both fall down because they’re brittle systems. All it takes is one corrupt, selfish individual to exploit the system, accumulate wealth, use it to buy power, and the system falls over.
Cowbee “Tankie Influencer” is some underrated high comedy right there, I tell you what.
I’m gonna be real, I think we’ve lost all credibility to talk shit as we just had our own night of the long knives.
You can talk shit about fascist regimes while living under one yourself ;) I’d say if you haven’t voted for the fascists but they got into power anyway then you are more of a victim, than the suspect.
Signed, a shit talker about regimes while living under one.
I dont want to talk shit. I need pointers on organizing. Its been 2 weeks and I’m over it and overtly radicalized
Living under a fascist regime doesn’t strip you of the ability to criticize other fascist regimes. On the contrary, if you allow other fascists to peddle their tripe uncontested, you will end up with Anschluss, not liberation.
Just remember that this fuckwad regime we live under comes first for taking fire.
Yeah it just feels like crabs in a bucket again though.
Tankies aren’t a left/right thing - they’re loyalists. Their whole deal is ingroup loyalty, and their ingroup is leftists. All the theory and rhetoric is just a fun game they’re happy to play along with. After all… isn’t that what everyone’s doing?
This tribalism is all there is conservatism. It’s not a political ideology. It’s a worldview without objective truth. There is only what the people above you say, because they must be right in all cases, or they wouldn’t belong above you.
