• bouh@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    By pretending that liberals didn’t push the fascists to power. And instead blaming the left, as always. The only enemy of liberals are the leftists. It always has been, and it’ll always be apparently.

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      4 hours ago

      This is a myopic analysis of why the fascists are in power. The left as a whole is responsible for pushing the fascists to power because of their inability to settle on a common agenda. Some leftists are more concerned with social justice, some with the worries of the working class and some with capitalism entirely.

      This blaming of one particular ideological group for why the right were able to usurp power is part of the problem. Looking for who to blame instead of looking for a solution that all leftists can agree on.

      Note: When i refer to the left, I’m talking about liberals, progressives, social democrats and the far left ideologies.

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        Liberals are not the left. They are the ones responsible for this mess. Them still blaming the left, the true left, means that either they understand nothing of life and politics, or that they, as always, prefer to fight the left rather than fascism if give n the choice.

        Hitler came into power because the the liberals sided with him to fight the left. The left was already fighting the nazis for a while at this point.

        History repeats itself: while the left tries to fight fascism and warns about, the liberals pretend they’re also fighting this fight, but actually lean more and more toward a fascist discourse and ultimately side with them.

        Biden had 4 fucking years to fight fascism. He did absolutely nothing. He waited for the election result to scramble emergency measures to save what could still be saved.

        What’s happening in the US is happening everywhere, in Europe too. Liberal governments still push liberal policies that everyone hates, and talk like the left is responsible for all the problems in the world. Meanwhile the fascist bought all medias and half the politicians and the liberals are doing nothing about it.

        Liberals had absolutely all the powers in most government and international institutions, yet they did absolutely fuck all to fight the fascism that’s rising in plain sight for 50 fucking years!

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          This stuff again about “true-left” and what not. Framing all liberals as part of the problem ignores the bigger picture. I agree that liberals have often been weak in confronting fascism, and some have even enabled it, but they’re not monolithic. Many liberal voters are just politically disengaged or confused about what’s happening. If you just write them off as enemies, you’re pushing them closer to reactionaries rather than pulling them toward the left. Anybody that opposes “right-wingism” is good enough of a leftist to me. The real question is how do we win them over instead of letting the right absorb them?

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            This stuff again about “true-left” and what not

            Liberals literally aren’t left-wing, it’s a right-wing ideology

            Framing all liberals as part of the problem ignores the bigger picture

            No, it correctly claims that they’re right wingers and thus, problematic

            Many liberal voters are just politically disengaged or confused about what’s happening

            Not an excuse at all

            Anybody that opposes “right-wingism” is good enough of a leftist to me

            That’s not Liberals

            The real question is how do we win them over instead of letting the right absorb them?

            Beat them violently into submission, as they deserve

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              If you keep up this ultra-left purism, we’ll never build broad coalitions. If the only acceptable leftists are those who fit a rigid ideological mold, then the left will always remain politically weak and fractured while the right consolidates power. Politics is about power, not being correct! You sound like a Bolshevik.

              Have fun with your circlejerk.

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                    So by “ultra left purism” you think the actual left should be willing to accept compromise positions with literal fascists and their enablers (and by enablers, I also mean those who are willing to compromise with fascists)? Because that’s all the Democrats seem to have doing so far. There is even bipartisan support for many of Trump’s nominees going on as we speak. When given the choice between socialism and fascism, liberals choose fascism every single time, because it’s more aligned with their core values. I know liberals still cling to the belief they are “progressive” and in some ways that’s true, at least compared to the Republicans. But meanwhile, the US has still not got universal healthcare, free education, or a decent social safety net. Democratic governors still imprison black people at hugely inflated rates, through unjust laws and unjust police methods, and rent out prison labor as a form of slave labor. No establishment Democrats are talking about getting money out of politics or seriously challenging what Trump is doing. None of those things will ever be properly addressed by the Democrats. They are the cause of the shitty status quo just as much as the Republicans are.

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                If the only acceptable leftists are those who fit a rigid ideological mold

                Again: the people being discussed are, by definition, not on the left

                Learn what words mean or you’ll keep looking stupid. Have fun being an idiot