- cross-posted to:
- politicalmemes@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politicalmemes@lemmy.world
ID: 3 panel comic:
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A surprised looking person pops in to existence on a floating rock surrounded by fire, next to the devil.
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The person asks “wait a second-- why’d I end up in hell??”
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The devil, now taking up the entire frame, replies: “because centrism enables fascism”
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Refusing to vote because “I’m sick of <whatever>” also enables fascism.
First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
- Martin Luther King Jr, Letter from the Birmingham Jail
Context for readers: The direct action MLK Jr spoke of was political action and progressive legislative reform. The reason I bring this up is sometimes Tankies and Anarchists use his words to incite violence, which MLK Jr would strictly oppose.
Non-violent protest is an opening offer, not the endgame. It’s a promise not to be violent so long as there’s an honest dialoge.
Without the threat of eventual violence, they have no reason to listen at all.
You’re not arguing against me, you are arguing against civil rights legend Martin Luther King Jr. and he can’t hear you.
Says the white moderate who was taught so by the establishment that doesn’t want you to consider violent opposition to their violent oppression a viable option, which he absolutely did, as, without even the slightest sense of irony because the reality is going over their head in its entirety, they tell you they "agree with you in the goal you seek, but cannot agree with your methods of direct action”.
Perhaps educate yourself on MLK and what he actually stood for, rather than what those who murdered him for opposing them want you to know, before you so confidently spread misinformation and continue in the task of whitewashing his legacy.
"Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself.”
1964, I guess white oppressors forced him to write this.
One of my most used quotes, in fact I used it earlier today, it’s just so fucking accurate.
I’m totally fine, on paper, with actual centrists. It’s just that they actually seem to actually exist in the real world. Everyone claiming to be one is really just a right-wing conservative who’s afraid to say so.
I’m totally fine, on paper, with actual centrists
I’d like to know what I’m in the center of. Because if it’s a Nuremberg Rally, maybe that’s not where I want to be.
There is a middle ground between the unregulated facists capitalism of today and the anarchy or authoritarian socialism of tankies.
That middle ground means that capitalism is allowed but is regulated. Minimum wage is a living wage, slave or child labor products are not allowed on the market. We do have social services including healthcare and UBI. However, there is no middle ground on perceiving much less treating anyone as lesser. Nazis and supremacist groups and systems are stamped out like the filth they are.
That middle ground means that capitalism is allowed but is regulated
Lmfao, here’s a clue - capitalism IS regulated, and it’s still decaying in to fascism, because that’s what capitalism does.
Which is the perfect example of how centrism enables fascism - because you prioritise capitalism and its status quo along with the privileges they grant you, over the lives of the people it oppresses, marginalises, and literally kills to exist.
You are part of the problem, no matter how much faux logic you use to try and maintain your own cognitive dissonance.
middle ground between the unregulated facists capitalism of today and the anarchy or authoritarian socialism
Sure. You can enjoy the moderate centrism of the LAPD, the United Fruit Company, and Focus on the Family.
Nazis and supremacist groups and systems are stamped out like the filth they are.
No they aren’t. They’re in the highest eschalons of authority.
Bud, I’m talking about what a middle ground centrist would want. It’s certainly not the past or current US government. It’s a lot lefter than is even available as choices besides maybe Bernie and the Squad. It just isn’t as left as tankies dream of.
Please read literally any socialist theory. Or at least any criticism of the Nordic model from the left.
And understand that “middle ground” arguments are fallacious and something being the middle ground does not make it the better or correct option.
Edit: Why Social Democracy Isn’t Good Enough - Second Thought
If a Nazi sits down at a table of 3 and nobody says anything. There are now 4 Nazis at that table.
But if nobody says anything, how do you know the fourth person is a Nazi?
I guess it’s assumed that you know that person is already a nazi, for example the person is Elon Musk. He won’t say anything, but you still know that he’s a nazi
3+1=4
Yes I’m glad you can do simple addition, but how’s your reading comprehension?
Good to know you’re the +1
No, I’m just trying to understand your logic.
A silent nazi sits at a table with three other silent people. Now they are all nazis?No, what you’re trying to do is twist the saying so it doesn’t apply to you.
Nowhere does it say anyone is silent. The Nazis are known to be Nazis, and you trying to find ways for it to be ok for you to sit with them is all the excuses we need to know that you are, in fact as has already been pointed out, the +1.
They literally said “nobody says anything”.
And it doesn’t say the nazi was known to be a nazi. You’re the only one twisting things here.I don’t hang out with nazis. To be frank I’ve been lucky enough to have never met one in person.
I just think it was a poorly worded message.
Center means you think both red & blue are fucking lunatics.
Thinking both sides are lunatics and you have the only rational take can also be a symptom of being an edgelord.
I don’t know what you think “the center” is, it doesn’t mean being undecided or voting against human rights. The Left is not a religion, and anything which demands “with us or against us” membership is not any better than fascism.
The capitalist status quo is protected by a political wing we call “liberalism” and a paramilitary wing we call “fascism.”
Carrot and stick, good cop/bad cop - pick your metaphor.
For far too long, leftists have laboured under the delusion that liberals are merely “misguided” people that can be “pushed” left as soon as we could get them to read this or that book by our favourite Beardy McDeadguy. This kind of understanding of these people we call “centrists,” “moderates,” and, by far the most accurate term, “liberals,” completely ignores the fact that it is liberalism - not fascism - that is the true ideology of privilege. Privilege that means that liberals are even more invested in the maintenance of the status quo that the rank and file of fascism are.
The left has always proven itself capable of defeating fascists - but it seems that it has no real answer to the insidious, co-opting tentacles of the liberal and the mountain of lies liberalism is built upon.
You’re right. I’m a liberal and we don’t like you leftists. Get out of our party and start your own. You’re the real fascism enablers.
Your party didn’t support gay marriage rights until what 2012 (at the behest of actual leftists and when it finally became politically expedient) and its major health care success was a Heritage Foundation plan full of means testing. It also actively supports an ongoing genocide.
Liberalism can never inherently provide a useful answer to the problems of capitalism, inequality, and climate change because it must protect private property rights and capital. Your party answers to corporate interests and that is a known fact.
Trump literally ran on anti-NAFTA and uses immigration as a scapegoat for peoples’ economic woes.
You’re the real fascism enablers.
Keep telling yourself that, liberal… especially when you watch the liberals you vote for “reaching across the aisle” to your fascist cousins.
So your solution is to increase the genocide and hostility while also pushing us further away from democracy? That just sounds like you’re resigned to being stupid and evil.
So your solution is to increase the genocide and hostility
That’s not my “solution,” liberal - that is what your precious status quo will be doing anyway.
No, that is a choice that you made. The two options were less and more and by abstaining from less you got more.
No, that is a choice that
Again, liberal. That’s not my “solution” - that is what your precious status quo will be doing anyway.
So we inevitably reaching the claim that everything on the right from left is fascism.
You can be shitty person with shitty political takes without being a fascist and the comic does not say otherwise
It’s interesting though how it’s leftists protest voters or non voters who have taken us closer to fascism than anything liberals have done.
You’re confusing “leftists” with “the system, by design”.
Yet, if my opinions are centrist in nature, it implies I’m enabling fascism somehow
No one is implying, we’re telling you outright.
You not wanting to face reality is a you problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
