President-elect Donald Trump plans a massive immigration raid in Chicago, with up to 200 officers involved, according to a report.

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    13 days ago

    Where exactly in Chicago is he going to raid? Is there some new evidence that there are illegal immigrants in Chicago all of a sudden?

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        12 days ago

        I wouldn’t be surprised if this is because Chicago is associated with Obama in his feeble mind. He IS that petty.

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        He’s probably still looking for Obama’s birth certificate

        As far as we know the detectives Trump sent to Hawaii are still looking for it. Trump’s detective bill must be freaking huge.

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      At the risk of getting attacked for this rant…kind of. Jeff Bezos is a piece of shit but he has a quote I agree with - “When the data and the anecdotes disagree, the anecdotes are usually right.” And anecdotally, several friends and I across the city agree that yes, Chicago has a problem it didn’t have a decade ago.

      TL;DR: Conservatives are correct in saying that crime is a problem but they only care about it now because it’s affecting white neighborhoods.

      I went to college downtown and bought a condo in a quiet family/commuter neighborhood afterwards where I lived for 15 years. Crime was so rare, people still talked about the murder from a decade ago. My building could have been featured on a diversity poster and everyone on my block knew each other. I never felt unsafe until near the end of lockdown.

      But then in the 12 months before I left (a year ago):

      • My car got stolen to rob a Dunkin Donuts

      • I got it back a month later and literally the same week I got it carjacked at gunpoint

      • Two adults were murdered

      • A little girl was shot in the face in broad daylight

      • More muggings than I can count, two victims lived in my building

      And while the police didn’t say their legal status, a lot of the suspects were hispanic. All of this happened within my neighborhood, I also had my work truck broken into twice and saw 2-3 job sites a month robbed.

      I DO NOT support Trump or his actions but crime is inevitable when you drop 1000 homeless people in a city without 1000 job openings…people gotta eat! I feel that most were crimes of desperation by otherwise good people because if the conservative narrative of violent Venezuelan gangs terrorizing the city were true, crime would be up across the board…but it’s mostly just theft.

      I didn’t compare the breakdown by district but if I had to guess, the increase would be even more drastic if you removed the south and west side neighborhoods that already had problems. The police department is corrupt and we’re on a hot streak of useless mayors.

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        12 days ago

        The downvote button is not an “I disagree with this” button. This person contributed to the conversation positively, if you think otherwise you need to actually read what they’ve said instead making assumptions like a well trained dog.

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          I expected to be downvoted by people who have never lived there so it’s fine if it happens but I hope at least a couple people read it and get what I’m saying.

          Chicago is not a shit hole and it’s not being overrun by violent migrants but it IS having issues caused in part by the influx of migrants. But you can’t pin that on the migrants - they didn’t choose to be bussed up here. The city failed to address the problem in a meaningful way but it’s hard to even blame them. If there’s anyone who deserves the blame, it’s Greg Abbott’s.

          Trump’s solution to the problem is awful. The cause of the problem is awful. The problem itself is exaggerated to a ridiculous level! But the problem does exist and pretending it doesn’t only makes it worse.

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            Hell, I’ve been downvoted, and even banned, for suggesting that America does indeed have an immigration problem and we have to talk about. Just because the GOP is amping it up for votes does not mean there’s no issue.

            And here’s the kicker, I’ve always mentioned that it’s hell for the immigrants. There’s an on-and-kinda-off-again humanitarian crisis at the border.

            So if liberals don’t want to hear about it, I’m going to point my finger and say they’re using these poor people as political footballs, just like the Republicans.

            My wife is an immigrant, BTW, and not a citizen. Been here 5 years, still struggling to get her 10-year green card.

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              I completely agree with you. A lot of the Republican talking points are some really minor issues blown completely out of proportion - to the point that we on the other side of the aisle don’t want to admit that the root issue is even real in fear of legitimizing the whole thing. I’ve done it myself in the past and it’s embarrassing to look back on.

              The sooner that we recognize it as a problem, the sooner we can collectively help solve it. And I’d MUCH prefer the left’s solution than the right’s

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                The sooner that we recognize it as a problem

                Goddamned right. Any given problem, recognize it as such or we can’t move.

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        And while the police didn’t say their legal status, a lot of the suspects were hispanic.

        And a LOT of American citizens are Hispanics. The vast majority of Hispanics are citizens or legal immigrants. You really can’t connect random crimes to immigration, when studies show that illegal immigrants do not commit crimes out of proportion to their numbers.

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          I know. The Hispanic population was actually part of the reason I chose this neighborhood, I love the “melting pot” feel it has.

          I am not directly pinning the crimes to the immigrants but crime rose when they arrived and the ratio of surname origina on the list shifted.

          Don’t ignore the rest of what I said, though. What do you think happens when competition for low-wage jobs grows exponentially over night?

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    This will be the first of just a bunch of stunts. In the end immigration is going to INCREASE under Traitorapist Trump. They aren’t going to actually find many people, but Trump will simply lie and make up some number because he’s a narcissist who wants you to pay attention to him. Whatever additional illegal immigrants Trump might manage to round up over the current level, will be far less than the new immigrants that Trump and Musk is going to bring in to intentionally lower the wages of American workers.

    Illegal immigration is only a bad thing because it lowers wages on American workers. So Trump’s show events might help minimum wage workers in some small way, but no where near enough to make up for their tax rate increases that Project 2025 has in store for low income people. And for American workers who make above minimum wage, they are going to be hugely screwed by Trump on immigration because of the big increase in workers Trump and Musk are going to bring over to lower your wages. Why the fuck would I even trust billionaire politicians to make decisions on which immigrants are legal vs illegal? They are both going to lower your wages. The only difference in the two is that illegals are worse for low wage Americans and the new immigrants Trump is going to bring over will be worse for mid to high wage Americans.