Story about a politician advocating for killings and kangaroo court imprisonments> i make a comment saying “yeah this guy is gonna end up dead if he tries this” > banned for threats of violence. … appeal, arguing that it wasn’t a threat. Just an acknowledgment of political volatility… suggested mods were politically biased for seeing it that way. > appeal rejected and permabanned
edit - I understand reddit mods dont issue IP bans, but I was hit for ban evasion after abandoning a cooked account that they refused to let me appeal. the ban evasion rule is a “gotcha” to make people , any and all . to go away. I only say that this time it was an IP ban because I had been perma’d before, only to immediately move to a new account I already had made (and on the same device no less).
Yeah, Reddit moderation is… Fucky wucky. But this is also a general problem in American society. It’s perfectly okay to kill people for profit, but if you break a window you’re the bad guy doing a violence. (It may be present in others as well, I just don’t know)
I was parroting the bizarre talking point people use in response to political/social issue riots.
People will hand waive or justify violence by the police. When the public responds in anger, the response is “Can’t we think of the property!?” What these people are saying that property has more value than a human life.
Banned for similar reason. Mod misinterpreted my wording and IP banned for inciting violence. 100 characters max in your appeal so impossible to explain yourself.
Does anyone actually have a foolproof way of dodging an IP ban? I miss participating in my city’s local sub.
I actually have a bit of a conspiracy that reddit flags accounts who don’t make them money (don’t buy coins, doesn’t use app, uses Firefox, etc) and specifically watches them for TOS violations.
The mods don’t IP ban you. What happens is you get your account permabanned from a big subreddit like r/politics. Later in another account, you use r/politics again, either because you think the ban was clearly bullshit or you just forgot about the ban on an old account. Then reddit’s site tools kick in, see your connected accounts, and IP ban you for “ban evasion.” Individual mods won’t IP ban you, but the site will IP ban you for daring to evade the bullshit decisions of clearly biased tinpot dictator subreddit mods.
The majority of reddit subs I’ve been banned from were for posting in other unrelated subs in violation of sadly unenforced moderation rules.
Then there’s being banned from r/atheism for “egregious immorality” - I look at it as a badge of pride to be banned from an atheism sub on grounds that sound like ones only a religious sub would use.
I’m only proud of the one, and only because of how weirdly out of sync with what you’d expect the given reason was.
Basically every other sub I’ve ever been banned from was a “you commented on a post on a sub we’ve since decided we don’t like, so we’ve summarily banned you with a bot just in case”.
I have a former friend who once got thrown out of a bar for “ordering a G&T instead of saying ‘gin & tonic.’” Bars are weird.
^this is a story I told for years, because anyone could get thrown out of a bar or something silly.
Here’s where things got tricky: Over the course of a few years, I heard a few more wild stories of how he got thrown out of bars “for a totally dumb reason.”
The problem is we’re talking about the main discussion forums on one of, if not the biggest, discussion sites on the internet. They allow way too much power to be in the hands of unaccountable moderators.
Want to know how my main long running account got banned from r/politics? I wondered aloud where the military was as an armed insurrection was literally storming the capital building of my country. Objectively, something like January 6th shouldn’t even be possible. I wondered why the crowd wasn’t being driven back by soldiers using automatic weapons fire. That is what a nation is SUPPOSED to do when its democracy is under siege. If you want your democracy to continue to exist, the sad truth is that yes, you have to be willing to kill people who take up arms against it. Otherwise some small well armed group will take over the whole place as you blindly cling to non-violence. My account was banned, on January 6th, as it happened, for wondering why our nation’s military was failing to defend our democracy. Later it was revealed that the military wasn’t deployed there, as Trump had specifically avoided deploying troops there as part of his plot to overthrow the election.
Or I had another account banned from a few subreddits for saying that if SCOTUS rules the president has complete criminal immunity, that he should respond by taking out a few Supreme Court justices. If the president is above the law, then he is now a dictator. And the only moral use of dictatorial power is to strip yourself of that power. In another account, I suggested on r/politics that Biden should just drone strike SCOTUS justices until they put out a ruling stripping him of that power. That got me banned for promoting violence. But the most ridiculous thing? r/politics openly allowed stories on the front page stating that the exact same thing should be done. They hold their comments section to a far higher standards than the stories they allow at the top of the r/politics feed.
Or how about getting instant banned from r/worldnews for saying anything remotely pro-Palestinian? That subreddit has been completely taken over by militant Zionists. If you have the temerity to dare to point out that, for example, the fact that the IDF has a worse civilian:combatant kill ratio than Hamas, you’ll get banned. Or, they love to make a fuss about how that UN aid agency, with thousands of employees, was found to have some Hamas members in it. Nevermind that Hamas by their nature are mostly ordinary people who work ordinary jobs. The aid agency had a much, much lower share of Hamas members than the general Gaza strip population. But if you dare to point this out, you’ll get instantly banned.
Yeah, you can cower behind the policies of reddit, “Just because you think it’s bullshit doesn’t mean you get to ban evade.” But that’s ridiculous. Unjust rules are meant to be broken. I have no respect for a reddit ban because they aren’t worthy of respect. Reddit allows their biggest, most influential subreddits to be dominate by mods who have comically biased enforcement records or who implement zero-thought, zero-context rules like their misapplication of violence in r/politics.
Yes, you can always say, “but…but…those are the rules of the site!” But this is a cop-out. It doesn’t make it any more just than any other comically unjust law or rule through history.
I don’t think I’d dare comment on anything politics, religion, environment, current events on Reddit post API change
I go there for about five special interest subs and I try to not be logged in when I want to look up something else there, to curb my tendency to reply
So that’s the position current implementation of rules of Reddit and subs have scared me into. It’s a bit of a police state, with big sub mods as secret police
Mods can ban you from communities, cancel any of your posts, delete any of your comments. That’s about it.
The trouble is that people are unfairly banned from subs they have followed and contributed to for years and there is no appeal other than begging the guy who just maliciously kicked you out
That’s not counting mods who are also admins and mods who are good friends with an admin. You can get a site wide ban for saying the wrong thing in front of one of them
You’re arguing in bad faith. No one is arguing that the mods aren’t violating the rules of the site. You’re clinging to that fig leaf that no one is arguing about. The real discussion is whether unelected mods should ever have that much power over such influential public forums in the first place.
In other words, you’re acting exactly like a reddit mod. Good job.
No one is arguing that the mods aren’t violating the rules of the site
You mocked me for hiding behind the rules of the site (which I didn’t), then when I said I didn’t you shifted gears into defending against some other accusation I didn’t make? I cannot follow your logic.
The real discussion is whether unelected mods should ever have that much power over such influential public forums in the first place.
No, a person claimed that they were IP banned for no good reason by a reddit mod. I said that is not possible. That’s the discussion.
You may act like I am behaving like mod but at least I have enough self-respect to not want to visit that shithole site after they so clearly showed how much they disdain they harbor for their own users. I can’t imagine being so butt hurt over a ban. Grow up.
I’m sure VPNs can be used. You would have to use a VPN, a new email address, and perhaps a different computer even. But honestly, I just don’t care anymore. I’m content leaving reddit to their demons. I have had a few big accounts on there with hundreds of thousands of comment karma, a decade in age or more. I contributed insightful commentary on the site and ended up on r/bestof a dozen or more times. It’s clear that they don’t want people like me, or anyone with a nuanced opinion, to be on the site. They want to focus on tiktok style brain rot, because the MBAs that have taken over Silicon Valley have no original ideas beyond copying each other.
If you want to have nuanced and deep discussion on a site, you can’t let your most prominent forums be taken over by unaccountable mods with an agenda (like r/worldnews) or operate with zero-thought zero-tolerance policies like r/politics. Your biggest political forum cannot operate on a philosophy of “any mention of violence is a permaban,” when the presence of violence and discussion of it is a key part of our current political landscape.
They don’t want real discussion anymore, if they ever did. They just want zero-tolerance, zero-thought moderation policies that are easy to enforce algorithmically but stifle real and nuanced discussion. And their site-wide admin an appeal process is completely worthless. They want their site to be a cesspool of teenagers post memes and nothing else. And if that is what they want, so be it. I’m done contributing to their bullshit. Reddit is far from the only discussion forum I’ve used. I was reddit, but before that digg. And before that, slashdot. And there comes a time when sites sometimes just get so up their own assholes chasing quick and easy money that the only correct choice is to just walk away in disgust.
One of the main reasons quality of content on the site has plummeted so much in recent years is they’ve likely banned or driven away many of their best commenters and posters. They want their site to be clickbait trash, and they simply aren’t willing to put in the effort to make it a place to hold good discussions.
It was an account level ban issued by Reddit. The account was perma’d by an angy Reddit admit in response to my appeal reply. so once the account was cooked, I deleted it and moved onto another, and the IP ban came after, automatically, for ban evasion. Caught in a situation where I was in violation of the site wide rules just by existing, over a ban they issued out of biased rage.
No, my account was issued an account level ban for a comment on a sub. It had nothing to do from the sub moderators. There was no interaction from them as the comment was pretty standard for the topic at hand.
Im not going to argue with you, theres what happened, and what you think happened based on a story you were told. Arguing over it is a waste of time.
So an admin came and banned you from the site for one single comment with no warning and without any attempt by you at ban invasion?
I would be very curious to see what this comment was and where. Because you’re right - there’s what happened and there’s what sounds like what happened based on the story I’ve been told.
I can’t remember what the topic was, but it was related to Trump, Foreign Affairs, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine / US Aid to Ukraine.
the comment essentially said the following. responding to another comment that was sarcastically suggesting the possibility that President Trump would start militarily aiding Russia. and bomb Ukraine.
I mentioned that “If a US President ended up directley aiding a country that’s been hostile to the US for the last 15-20 years in a shooting war against a country we’ve been helping fend off a monstrous invasion… thats a good way to end up with a dead president”
7 day ban issued for making threats of violence
appeal “There was no threat made, I think whoever issued this ban is a little too close to the politician in question, and acted on behalf of that”.
permanent ban. No foul language was used, No name calling, no trolling.
Simply stating “If a US president decided to suddenly force an alliance with a hostile nation that most of the country believes is an ideological and moral enemy, the people would revolt”
Admin =/= Mod. Admins work at Reddit and can basically do whatever they want on the site because they control the backend. Mods have a sliver of the tools available to admins. This does not include IP banning.
I still miss some of it’s smaller subs being actually active enough to have a daily chat abiut the certain interest.
But i was banned from inciting violence after pointing out my life was in a weird place for being able to purchase unregistered firearms in a firearm free country, while not making enough to find a place to live (we ended up renting a 14m2 room on 2 fulltime + overtime, incomes)
I appealed, but they didn’t have it so i figured i could just make a new account which screwed me over.
Similar for me. In so many words, a JFK quote paraphrased. Make peaceful reform impossible and violent revolution becomes inevitable. Banned at the IP address level.
This is reddit mods in a nutshell
Similar story to how I ended up IP banned.
Story about a politician advocating for killings and kangaroo court imprisonments> i make a comment saying “yeah this guy is gonna end up dead if he tries this” > banned for threats of violence. … appeal, arguing that it wasn’t a threat. Just an acknowledgment of political volatility… suggested mods were politically biased for seeing it that way. > appeal rejected and permabanned
edit - I understand reddit mods dont issue IP bans, but I was hit for ban evasion after abandoning a cooked account that they refused to let me appeal. the ban evasion rule is a “gotcha” to make people , any and all . to go away. I only say that this time it was an IP ban because I had been perma’d before, only to immediately move to a new account I already had made (and on the same device no less).
my guess was algorithms improved /s
Yeah, Reddit moderation is… Fucky wucky. But this is also a general problem in American society. It’s perfectly okay to kill people for profit, but if you break a window you’re the bad guy doing a violence. (It may be present in others as well, I just don’t know)
Police violence is a okay. Rioting and causing property damage that’s bad.
Are you saying that because you believe it or because that’s what the system says?
I was parroting the bizarre talking point people use in response to political/social issue riots.
People will hand waive or justify violence by the police. When the public responds in anger, the response is “Can’t we think of the property!?” What these people are saying that property has more value than a human life.
This is Lemmy, probably the latter.
I certainly hope so… But I’ve seen people who unironically espouse this stuff.
May the odds ever be in our favor.
Banned for similar reason. Mod misinterpreted my wording and IP banned for inciting violence. 100 characters max in your appeal so impossible to explain yourself.
Does anyone actually have a foolproof way of dodging an IP ban? I miss participating in my city’s local sub.
I actually have a bit of a conspiracy that reddit flags accounts who don’t make them money (don’t buy coins, doesn’t use app, uses Firefox, etc) and specifically watches them for TOS violations.
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The mods don’t IP ban you. What happens is you get your account permabanned from a big subreddit like r/politics. Later in another account, you use r/politics again, either because you think the ban was clearly bullshit or you just forgot about the ban on an old account. Then reddit’s site tools kick in, see your connected accounts, and IP ban you for “ban evasion.” Individual mods won’t IP ban you, but the site will IP ban you for daring to evade the bullshit decisions of clearly biased tinpot dictator subreddit mods.
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The majority of reddit subs I’ve been banned from were for posting in other unrelated subs in violation of sadly unenforced moderation rules.
Then there’s being banned from r/atheism for “egregious immorality” - I look at it as a badge of pride to be banned from an atheism sub on grounds that sound like ones only a religious sub would use.
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Go back to reddit if you agree with their moderation so much. You will prefer it there.
Nah I’m good. I have too much self respect to return to that shithole. All yours.
I’m only proud of the one, and only because of how weirdly out of sync with what you’d expect the given reason was.
Basically every other sub I’ve ever been banned from was a “you commented on a post on a sub we’ve since decided we don’t like, so we’ve summarily banned you with a bot just in case”.
I have a former friend who once got thrown out of a bar for “ordering a G&T instead of saying ‘gin & tonic.’” Bars are weird.
^this is a story I told for years, because anyone could get thrown out of a bar or something silly.
Here’s where things got tricky: Over the course of a few years, I heard a few more wild stories of how he got thrown out of bars “for a totally dumb reason.”
See where I’m going with this?
The problem is we’re talking about the main discussion forums on one of, if not the biggest, discussion sites on the internet. They allow way too much power to be in the hands of unaccountable moderators.
Want to know how my main long running account got banned from r/politics? I wondered aloud where the military was as an armed insurrection was literally storming the capital building of my country. Objectively, something like January 6th shouldn’t even be possible. I wondered why the crowd wasn’t being driven back by soldiers using automatic weapons fire. That is what a nation is SUPPOSED to do when its democracy is under siege. If you want your democracy to continue to exist, the sad truth is that yes, you have to be willing to kill people who take up arms against it. Otherwise some small well armed group will take over the whole place as you blindly cling to non-violence. My account was banned, on January 6th, as it happened, for wondering why our nation’s military was failing to defend our democracy. Later it was revealed that the military wasn’t deployed there, as Trump had specifically avoided deploying troops there as part of his plot to overthrow the election.
Or I had another account banned from a few subreddits for saying that if SCOTUS rules the president has complete criminal immunity, that he should respond by taking out a few Supreme Court justices. If the president is above the law, then he is now a dictator. And the only moral use of dictatorial power is to strip yourself of that power. In another account, I suggested on r/politics that Biden should just drone strike SCOTUS justices until they put out a ruling stripping him of that power. That got me banned for promoting violence. But the most ridiculous thing? r/politics openly allowed stories on the front page stating that the exact same thing should be done. They hold their comments section to a far higher standards than the stories they allow at the top of the r/politics feed.
Or how about getting instant banned from r/worldnews for saying anything remotely pro-Palestinian? That subreddit has been completely taken over by militant Zionists. If you have the temerity to dare to point out that, for example, the fact that the IDF has a worse civilian:combatant kill ratio than Hamas, you’ll get banned. Or, they love to make a fuss about how that UN aid agency, with thousands of employees, was found to have some Hamas members in it. Nevermind that Hamas by their nature are mostly ordinary people who work ordinary jobs. The aid agency had a much, much lower share of Hamas members than the general Gaza strip population. But if you dare to point this out, you’ll get instantly banned.
Yeah, you can cower behind the policies of reddit, “Just because you think it’s bullshit doesn’t mean you get to ban evade.” But that’s ridiculous. Unjust rules are meant to be broken. I have no respect for a reddit ban because they aren’t worthy of respect. Reddit allows their biggest, most influential subreddits to be dominate by mods who have comically biased enforcement records or who implement zero-thought, zero-context rules like their misapplication of violence in r/politics.
Yes, you can always say, “but…but…those are the rules of the site!” But this is a cop-out. It doesn’t make it any more just than any other comically unjust law or rule through history.
I don’t think I’d dare comment on anything politics, religion, environment, current events on Reddit post API change
I go there for about five special interest subs and I try to not be logged in when I want to look up something else there, to curb my tendency to reply
So that’s the position current implementation of rules of Reddit and subs have scared me into. It’s a bit of a police state, with big sub mods as secret police
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Mods can ban you from communities, cancel any of your posts, delete any of your comments. That’s about it.
The trouble is that people are unfairly banned from subs they have followed and contributed to for years and there is no appeal other than begging the guy who just maliciously kicked you out
That’s not counting mods who are also admins and mods who are good friends with an admin. You can get a site wide ban for saying the wrong thing in front of one of them
You’re arguing in bad faith. No one is arguing that the mods aren’t violating the rules of the site. You’re clinging to that fig leaf that no one is arguing about. The real discussion is whether unelected mods should ever have that much power over such influential public forums in the first place.
In other words, you’re acting exactly like a reddit mod. Good job.
You mocked me for hiding behind the rules of the site (which I didn’t), then when I said I didn’t you shifted gears into defending against some other accusation I didn’t make? I cannot follow your logic.
No, a person claimed that they were IP banned for no good reason by a reddit mod. I said that is not possible. That’s the discussion.
You may act like I am behaving like mod but at least I have enough self-respect to not want to visit that shithole site after they so clearly showed how much they disdain they harbor for their own users. I can’t imagine being so butt hurt over a ban. Grow up.
Maybe a better question then would be, how do these tools likely work, and how can they be circumvented?
I’m sure VPNs can be used. You would have to use a VPN, a new email address, and perhaps a different computer even. But honestly, I just don’t care anymore. I’m content leaving reddit to their demons. I have had a few big accounts on there with hundreds of thousands of comment karma, a decade in age or more. I contributed insightful commentary on the site and ended up on r/bestof a dozen or more times. It’s clear that they don’t want people like me, or anyone with a nuanced opinion, to be on the site. They want to focus on tiktok style brain rot, because the MBAs that have taken over Silicon Valley have no original ideas beyond copying each other.
If you want to have nuanced and deep discussion on a site, you can’t let your most prominent forums be taken over by unaccountable mods with an agenda (like r/worldnews) or operate with zero-thought zero-tolerance policies like r/politics. Your biggest political forum cannot operate on a philosophy of “any mention of violence is a permaban,” when the presence of violence and discussion of it is a key part of our current political landscape.
They don’t want real discussion anymore, if they ever did. They just want zero-tolerance, zero-thought moderation policies that are easy to enforce algorithmically but stifle real and nuanced discussion. And their site-wide admin an appeal process is completely worthless. They want their site to be a cesspool of teenagers post memes and nothing else. And if that is what they want, so be it. I’m done contributing to their bullshit. Reddit is far from the only discussion forum I’ve used. I was reddit, but before that digg. And before that, slashdot. And there comes a time when sites sometimes just get so up their own assholes chasing quick and easy money that the only correct choice is to just walk away in disgust.
One of the main reasons quality of content on the site has plummeted so much in recent years is they’ve likely banned or driven away many of their best commenters and posters. They want their site to be clickbait trash, and they simply aren’t willing to put in the effort to make it a place to hold good discussions.
We’re glad to have you
Yep, that’s the way it is now
It was an account level ban issued by Reddit. The account was perma’d by an angy Reddit admit in response to my appeal reply. so once the account was cooked, I deleted it and moved onto another, and the IP ban came after, automatically, for ban evasion. Caught in a situation where I was in violation of the site wide rules just by existing, over a ban they issued out of biased rage.
so in technicality, yes, its as you said.
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No, my account was issued an account level ban for a comment on a sub. It had nothing to do from the sub moderators. There was no interaction from them as the comment was pretty standard for the topic at hand.
Im not going to argue with you, theres what happened, and what you think happened based on a story you were told. Arguing over it is a waste of time.
So an admin came and banned you from the site for one single comment with no warning and without any attempt by you at ban invasion?
I would be very curious to see what this comment was and where. Because you’re right - there’s what happened and there’s what sounds like what happened based on the story I’ve been told.
Yes.
I can’t remember what the topic was, but it was related to Trump, Foreign Affairs, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine / US Aid to Ukraine. the comment essentially said the following. responding to another comment that was sarcastically suggesting the possibility that President Trump would start militarily aiding Russia. and bomb Ukraine.
I mentioned that “If a US President ended up directley aiding a country that’s been hostile to the US for the last 15-20 years in a shooting war against a country we’ve been helping fend off a monstrous invasion… thats a good way to end up with a dead president”
7 day ban issued for making threats of violence
appeal “There was no threat made, I think whoever issued this ban is a little too close to the politician in question, and acted on behalf of that”.
permanent ban. No foul language was used, No name calling, no trolling.
Simply stating “If a US president decided to suddenly force an alliance with a hostile nation that most of the country believes is an ideological and moral enemy, the people would revolt”
permaban
I was banned by a reddit admin, site wide.
Admin =/= Mod. Admins work at Reddit and can basically do whatever they want on the site because they control the backend. Mods have a sliver of the tools available to admins. This does not include IP banning.
Both moderate content no? Anyway it’s not important, I was banned by some dumbass for no reason
No they are completely different and it’s definitely important. You’re talking the feds vs. a person attempting a citizen’s arrest.
Both are mods
VPN, new account.
Didn’t work longer than a day.
I still miss some of it’s smaller subs being actually active enough to have a daily chat abiut the certain interest.
But i was banned from inciting violence after pointing out my life was in a weird place for being able to purchase unregistered firearms in a firearm free country, while not making enough to find a place to live (we ended up renting a 14m2 room on 2 fulltime + overtime, incomes)
I appealed, but they didn’t have it so i figured i could just make a new account which screwed me over.
Similar for me. In so many words, a JFK quote paraphrased. Make peaceful reform impossible and violent revolution becomes inevitable. Banned at the IP address level.
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Admins can and they are just as stupid as mods.
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