Sorry, but if you’re expected at 10 you should arrive at 10. Doesn’t matter if it is work, a meet-up with friends or family, a date, or whatever. People schedule things around you, they’ll expect you at 10, not 10 minutes later. So if you come late, it means you’re not respecting other people’s time, which means you don’t respect other people.
You said it yourself: arrive to scheduled things on time. Meetings with others, for example. If you’re going to do desk work, ten minutes more or less is irrelevant.
If you don’t have anything to do with me on Tuesday morning but get uppity because I came in at 9:07 instead of 9:00 even though it affected nobody at all, that’s a you problem, and please respect me by keeping it to yourself.
Assuming people are intentionally showing up later is kind of the problem. They signed for the job, they want to get paid. Evidence would point to them not intentionally being late.
I don’t think the conversation is about outliers or occasional lates, but about a habitual disconcern for being on time.
I’m sensitive to the issue as i work for a company that delivers stuff. 10 minutes of staff not being on time causes actual problems that can snowball and cause people to be late all day long. We are very schedule oriented so it matters.
Given the headcount and resource reduction we had to make because we were being sold to make us look lean, and now they are asking for even deeper cuts, its really bad for my crew when someone just isnt there making everyone else having to compensate.
Its very different for different environments/cultures and sometimes they dont mix well.
Don’t compensate. That is the solution. Work normally, and if the bosses lose money, remind them to fix the staffing situation. Being a hero won’t solve anything.
It’s work, not elementary school. Just don’t be late for your first meeting. But also don’t throw meetings on people’s calendar at 8am. It’s a dick move.
Try working at a company that has staff on the opposite side of the planet. I’ve missed meetings scheduled for 7am (I start at 8) that were sent in the middle of the night. That’s what I call a dick move.
My favourite is when the person who we’re all working around sets the time and then doesn’t show up on time of the meeting. That’s the epitome of entitlement to disrespecting everyone’s (and the company) time. And this is a millennial that pulls this shit regularly at my job. It also costs the business a stupid amount of money when all those people aren’t producing revenue just to come sit in a meeting that isn’t going anywhere.
Sorry, but if you’re expected at 10 you should arrive at 10. Doesn’t matter if it is work, a meet-up with friends or family, a date, or whatever. People schedule things around you, they’ll expect you at 10, not 10 minutes later. So if you come late, it means you’re not respecting other people’s time, which means you don’t respect other people.
You said it yourself: arrive to scheduled things on time. Meetings with others, for example. If you’re going to do desk work, ten minutes more or less is irrelevant.
If you don’t have anything to do with me on Tuesday morning but get uppity because I came in at 9:07 instead of 9:00 even though it affected nobody at all, that’s a you problem, and please respect me by keeping it to yourself.
Bullshit, life happens. If you judge someone for their bus running late then you’re just a sanctimonious prick.
That’s a completely different scenario than intentionally coming in late.
Assuming people are intentionally showing up later is kind of the problem. They signed for the job, they want to get paid. Evidence would point to them not intentionally being late.
If it happens frequently then it certainly is intentional.
I see you’ve never met a toddler or a bad bus system.
I don’t think the conversation is about outliers or occasional lates, but about a habitual disconcern for being on time.
I’m sensitive to the issue as i work for a company that delivers stuff. 10 minutes of staff not being on time causes actual problems that can snowball and cause people to be late all day long. We are very schedule oriented so it matters.
Given the headcount and resource reduction we had to make because we were being sold to make us look lean, and now they are asking for even deeper cuts, its really bad for my crew when someone just isnt there making everyone else having to compensate.
Its very different for different environments/cultures and sometimes they dont mix well.
Don’t compensate. That is the solution. Work normally, and if the bosses lose money, remind them to fix the staffing situation. Being a hero won’t solve anything.
THIS.
Man I had to double-check what Lemmy community I was in. There’s a lot of boss-apologists in this thread. O.o
Then you’re running below minimum staffing and that’s your fault, not theirs.
It’s work, not elementary school. Just don’t be late for your first meeting. But also don’t throw meetings on people’s calendar at 8am. It’s a dick move.
Try working at a company that has staff on the opposite side of the planet. I’ve missed meetings scheduled for 7am (I start at 8) that were sent in the middle of the night. That’s what I call a dick move.
Both are dick moves
Been there (worked with offshore in India). No getting around it, scheduling meetings just fucking sucks when you’ve got a 12 hour offset.
I feel like meetings are an exception. And meetings scheduled at the literal start of business open is just plain stupid if it can be avoided.
My favourite is when the person who we’re all working around sets the time and then doesn’t show up on time of the meeting. That’s the epitome of entitlement to disrespecting everyone’s (and the company) time. And this is a millennial that pulls this shit regularly at my job. It also costs the business a stupid amount of money when all those people aren’t producing revenue just to come sit in a meeting that isn’t going anywhere.