Special counsel Jack Smith is dropping the federal election subversion and the mishandling of classified documents cases against President-elect Donald Trump, seeking the cases’ dismissal in court filings Monday.
At least it’s a dismissal without prejudice which leaves the door open for charges to be brought back once Trump is no longer in office and as long as the statute of limitation hasn’t run out.
I can’t say I’m feeling overly optimistic about anything worthwhile happening with this case after 9 years, when they failed to move forward in nearly 5
It’s not “doomer moaning” to think that if they didn’t prosecute him in the four year period after his presidency that they won’t do it eight or twelve years after his presidency when he’s either dead from old age or well into his 80s.
That’s not defeatist it’s simply witnessing the actions of our current leadership and believing them. You can choose to believe their words instead, but there’s zero reason to when their actions (both past and current) directly contradict them.
A glimmer of hope, but at least, of the extremely limited options, this one leaves a shred of hope behind.
Still fucking awful and a complete condemnation of the justice system in the US, but POC in the States have known that for years, now it’s just whitey getting shown how fucking biased it is to privilege and wealth.
Again, who is going to stop him? The presidential pardon is wide reaching, and no one has ever tried to pardon themselves before so there’s no legal precedent. You think this supreme court is gonna stop him?
Also, he absolutely can pardon for something that was dismissed. Nixon got pardoned for something he was never even charged with.
Even if the president can’t pardon themself. They could just temporarily declare themselves inable to perform the powers and duties of the presidency, then the VP becomes Acting President, and the VP as Acting President can pardon the President. Voila, its not a self-pardon.
He could. The president can pardon any federal crimes that’s already committed except in cases of impeachment. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon even tho he was never charged with crimes. Now the constitution never explicitely said they can pardom themselves, but maybe the supreme court would let him.
At least it’s a dismissal without prejudice which leaves the door open for charges to be brought back once Trump is no longer in office and as long as the statute of limitation hasn’t run out.
You know how the courts love putting rich old white dudes behind bars, right?
Assuming of course we don’t end up with a Republican dictatorship after this presidency, then it’s all meaningless anyway.
Assuming his lard-ass lives that long.
Until Trump’s DOJ decides to re-dismiss with prejudice.
That can only be done if the case is presented again. You can’t dismiss something that doesn’t exist.
Get ready to find out that all laws are just made up and no one gives a shit if the other people with power let him do whatever he wants
You’re a teenager, aren’t you?
I can’t say I’m feeling overly optimistic about anything worthwhile happening with this case after 9 years, when they failed to move forward in nearly 5
How is “less than 4” now “nearly 5”?
Does that really make a difference in their argument?
What “argument”? It’s just doomer moaning, using hyperbole to amplify their own defeatism. I’m just pointing out the bs.
It’s not “doomer moaning” to think that if they didn’t prosecute him in the four year period after his presidency that they won’t do it eight or twelve years after his presidency when he’s either dead from old age or well into his 80s.
That’s not defeatist it’s simply witnessing the actions of our current leadership and believing them. You can choose to believe their words instead, but there’s zero reason to when their actions (both past and current) directly contradict them.
It is when they’re lying about the time that’s already passed. They’re clearly more interested in embellishing than being realistic.
A glimmer of hope, but at least, of the extremely limited options, this one leaves a shred of hope behind.
Still fucking awful and a complete condemnation of the justice system in the US, but POC in the States have known that for years, now it’s just whitey getting shown how fucking biased it is to privilege and wealth.
A lot of us whiteys already knew
Who’s going to revive a 10 year old political case against an 83 year old that’s retiring from politics? In the US?
Lol he’s dead by then. Are we puting a dead person on trial?
Who is going to stop Trump from pardoning himself?
He cannot pardon himself on a dismissed case.
Again, who is going to stop him? The presidential pardon is wide reaching, and no one has ever tried to pardon themselves before so there’s no legal precedent. You think this supreme court is gonna stop him?
Also, he absolutely can pardon for something that was dismissed. Nixon got pardoned for something he was never even charged with.
Fun mental excersise:
Even if the president can’t pardon themself. They could just temporarily declare themselves inable to perform the powers and duties of the presidency, then the VP becomes Acting President, and the VP as Acting President can pardon the President. Voila, its not a self-pardon.
Shenaigans… Shenanigans…
He could. The president can pardon any federal crimes that’s already committed except in cases of impeachment. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon even tho he was never charged with crimes. Now the constitution never explicitely said they can pardom themselves, but maybe the supreme court would let him.
Jack Smith, apparently.