i don’t think posts about him are appropriate here. the kind of dystopia wants to bring is not the boring kind. it’s straight up cartoonish shit, like the government from v for vendetta
A few thousand years ago the ancient Greeks said:
“δὶς ἐξαμαρτεῖν οὐκ ἀνδρὸς σοφοῦ”.
Roughly meaning: A wise person doesn’t make the same mistake twise.
But again some people keep doing it
Those of us who gave it our all don’t deserve this.
Time and time again I remember this meme
Basically democracy is government after the people, by the people, for the people . . . but people are retarded . . .
Is it too early to start talking about the abysmal failure of the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” strategy?
Lets discuss the “we’re really Republicans, so you Republicans should really vote Harris who will now ignore all leftists who intended to vote for her until they feel like shit and stay home instead of electing her!” strategy Harris tried to use just like Hillary tried to use that also entirely fucked up her voter base because the Dems DON’T want to vote for a Republican in disguise, and SHOCK the Republicans DO NOT CARE if you are 100% identical to their candidate, or ever MORE of a Republican than their candidate they are playing sport politics, they would elect a child molester, convicted felon, calling for ethnic cleansing, and removing all human rights of Women, they DON"T FUCKING CARE! They have no idea what politics, policy, or governance even is, they just want to WIN! Go RED Team!!
There is a saying…
Make a mistake once and you can call it learning, make a mistake twice and you are eh… not so smart
Americans need education.
And you know what? They will probably get less of that now. Yay!
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
And you hit the nail on the head - Americans absolutely need better education. Unfortunately, it’s not a priority, nor is it funded adequately.
Didn’t dubya say it best?
Fool me once, shame on… shame on you. A fool me can’t get fooled again.
Shakespearean.
Something, something won’t get fooled again?
Go blank at the podium? Why not just randomly quote The Who?
What devil has this guy made a deal with? No matter how stupid, obnoxious or abrasive he is, people worship him. He constantly screws himself over and then before he has to face serious consequences he trips on a rock and somehow everything’s alright again for him. At this point he literally can shoot someone on 6th Avenue and get away of it. I think Trump is solid evidence that we’re living in a simulation and somebody is fucking with us, because life just doesn’t work the way it works for him. Somebody’s thumb is on the scale.
The day after he was convicted on his 30+ felonies, he had the biggest donation day of any politician in US history, probably Human history. Jeff Bezos prevented any news outlet he owned of endorsing Harris, Elon Musk Did a million dollar raffle for Trump voters. They DO NOT WANT to pay taxes, and they DO NOT want to pay people who make their money. That’s all this has ever been, and they know Trump would fuck his mothers corpse for a nickle and will absolutely shift the tax burden to the poor and middle class as hard as he can, and he has a majority in the legislature, and full stop OWNS the most extreme and corrupt Supreme Court we’ve ever seen, and he will stack it even higher this term. It is a GREAT time to be a corrupt politician in America, no one is going to taste a single consequence for this fuckery.
The Supreme Court knows he can’t be elected again and they already have their seats, they don’t owe him anything anymore
Yeah I know he got help from various billionaires, but Mr. and Mrs. Middle America ignored stuff that goes against their own character. Most people don’t associate with anybody who’s on trial for multiple felonies. They disapprove of guys who cheat on their wives. They would frown on a grown man saying “grab 'em by the pussy.” Trump is not a person decent churchgoing Americans normally idolize - let alone pastors and ministers. He has an uncanny charm with these people, which I chalk up to his con man ability. But even a con man loses his audience when he drops pretense and acts like an asshole. The Orange Sack of Shit seems unnaturally immune to that.
What devil has this guy made a deal with?
He cut a Faustian Bargain with the soul of America. And like Faust, he gets to spend his days capering and clowning about his social superiors, making unholy mischief in a kingdom that is itself revealed to be terminally corrupt and wholely damned.
Trump took the Objectivist philosophy that’s guided this country for a generation and embodied it. He is Reaganism in its manifest state. Just a guy entirely out for himself who has convinced 71M other people to do the same.
What’s more concerning is that millions more people saw it and didn’t bother to stop him.
Jokes aside, he was heavily supported by Russia and Israel who do have quite some influence through social media
He can’t be the anti-christ because his political power lasted longer than 3 and a half years
Dw I really don’t take this stuff serious (not religious)
It’s a fun read though
But hey you can argue he’s getting 3.5 years twice now (4 minus lame duck twice)
Yes but he’s only supposed to get ONE 3.5 years
Meaning he’s no the anti-Christ…
That thumb has a name, Putin
Putin didn’t GAF about Donald Trump until he became useful enough. By that time the Orange Sack of Shit had already been stiffing creditors and skirting the law for decades, somehow living a life of abject luxury anyway, when if nature had taken its usual course he would have been a bankrupt nobody hustling $10 bar bets.
Life works differently for the haves than it does for the have-nots. This has been pretty much a constant in human societies…
Biden must be laughing his ass off right now. Should have let the old guy run. Turns out no one really cared about the presidents age.
It’s 80 degrees in November. America has reelected a climate change denier. SUV sales continue to rise.
If only Americans had voted for the party that was going to fix climate change…
Which one was that again?
You’re not going to like this, but it was the Green Party.
Oh I’m totally with you, it’s the rest of this instance that you have to contend with
In that two party system?
“Go ahead, throw your vote away!” -Kodos
The Green Party? Yeah, hopefully before we all burn up. Stein still got <5% this time.
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People need to stop blaming voters, we all need to start understand why this happen more and more in the world and not judge the voters for their decision. I have some theories but its not the time or place, but stop say “people are dumb” or “People need educations”… 100 million people cant be all dumb or uneducated, go deeper!
I’m blaming voters. 100 million people can be all dumb, and the results of this election is the definitive proof of that.
If people in America were actually smart, actually cared, and actually knew more than the the colour of their front lawn, they’d have voted Green.
Both can be true.
You’re telling me… There’s multiple issues and reasons in play… At the same time???
This is getting entirely too complicated for me.
I also think part of the problem is that with the internet, we may just have a lot of data readily available, so much so people are overwhelmed they just tune it all out. We can spend a lot of time wondering why people vote the way they do but if the losing party doesn’t take the time to be retrospective and humble as to why they lost then I can’t blame people for that too much.
Yes, yes they can.
They’ve been conditioned for 8 years that any negative thing they read or hear about their leader is “fake news”, and likely their own pride of not wanting to consider the possibility they could be mistaken has made them easy targets for the misinformation machine at Fox News to avoid telling them objective facts to instead pander to their emotions and tell them what opinion they should have. Mass manipulation by biased media.
Im sorry, but if Gaza, egg prices, and Harris not havjng a Y chromosome is enough for a magat trifecta, the voters are the problem. Not just the ones who stay home or vote third party, all of them. Americans are whats wrong with America
It feels so fucking obvious to me and it has for the 20 years I’ve been voting, I fucking voted for dennis kucinich lol. There’s a reason Bernie was able to cut through the noise. He had a blunt and obvious, class based, economic ideology. That’s where he planted his flag.
The ‘third way’ Democrat machinery seems to plant it’s flag on reactionary culture war issues. Even if that’s only the perception, not reality, they always take the bait.
AND WHY THE FUCK DID IT TAKE SO GOD DAMNED LONG FOR TRUMP TO BE CHARGED FOR J6? If you want to call them Nazis you have to do Nuremberg when you have the fucking chance.
trump may be the iceberg that sinks the ship but people must not forget that it was obama that steered it so expertly there.
whatever he has done in his eight years to engender such deeply entrenched hatred within the populace – so much that even morons like mr. 47 can exploit it so readily – needs to be studied so that it can be avoided in the future.
Obama didn’t start Fox news bro. Obama didn’t defund education and get rid of civics classes. Obama didn’t cut taxes on the billionaire class and corporations. Obama didn’t sell those same billionaires and conglomerates the major news outlets. The voting population in America only know what they’re told because they’re never taught to think critically. Look at the rise of disinformation regardless of political ideology. Look at the rise in scams.
you’re mixing up trump’s eventual misdeeds with the fact that the usa has undergone a massive transformation towards the right under the eight years of obama.
i’m talking about the seeds which were sown, you’re talking about the harvest which followed. these are two separate things.
each of your assertions have flourished under the manure of the obama tenure – even if they didn’t happen during his presidency.
but, sure. live in denial and give him a pass. just don’t moan when history repeats itself. as a non-american, it’s no skin off my back.
So Reagan’s two terms and his VPs term had nothing to do with it? The creation of the CNN 24 hour news cycle and the need to fill it had nothing to do with it? Decades of attacking public school budgets had nothing to do with that? Why the focus on Obama? These problems started 30 years before he was elected.
Why the focus on Obama?
The reason is likely skin deep. Literally.
Counter-point: the biggest thing Obama did to enrage the right was dare to be a successful black man. They’re the ones with the issue, man.
God what an ugly bug he is.
Literally in a car with an immigrant right now who voted Trump because things were cheaper before covid.
FFS.
Just wait until the leopards start eating their faces. Act surprised.
Honestly, I’m going to try and leave.
Anecdotal evidence that the right is for the uneducated.
Anecdotally… About 75% of the right that I know/met.
The other 25% is a mix of racism, greed, and conspiracy theory.
Every time they’ll be complaining about the price hikes under Trump, just remind them of why they voted for Trump. This is the best course of action against “collective amnesia” as we call it in Hungary.
Oh alongside the loss of benefits they rely on (which I told them about), the pandemic potential with the worst Kennedy, even their friends which are of varying ethnicities and going to be targeted, the list is… Long.
How do you come back from it?
uneducatable
Solid distinction.
Religion primed the rubes, and a new godhead told them he is their salvation.
Religion didn’t prime them. Religion merely exploits the same human psychological weaknesses. This is why they go hand in hand.
Hmm. Maybe look up what priming (verb) means.
I know what it means. I guess I didn’t make my point clear enough, that’s on me. I didn’t think I had to write it for an eli5 audience.
Whatever makes you feel better
So sad that dumbasses who think the President controls grocery store prices and gas prices have done this to us all.
I voted for Harris and my state went red for Trump as usual. Just sad and disgusted at it all today.
How do you expect people to think any differently when there is nobody combatting that narrative at the national level? That is something the Democrats could have been hammering on.
The democrats were too busy staring at him.
Uh, just basic knowledge of how the President’s job works? Stuff we learn in grade school. Everyone should know this, but people are idiots.
Right, which is why you educate them and make the case for them to vote for you, or else the other side will spread their disinformation without any competing narrative. That’s kind of the entire point of a presidential campaign. Just calling people idiots isn’t going to make them not be idiots.
I don’t expect everybody to be politically aware, but there’s “not politically aware” and then there’s whatever that is.
Stupid?
Grocery stores are making record profits. Do they really think they are going to voluntarily cut prices? They know there will be no oversight under trump (not that Biden did anything about price gouging). Prices are going to go up even higher.
Not if people don’t have enough money, then they’ll take the five finger discount.
I wouldn’t put it past the stores to ask for an executive order to make theft punishable by losing fingers.
“looters”
Instead of mocking people like this, us on the left really need to understand them and how to appeal to them better than Trump. Dude is a billionaire and managed to convince working people he’s on their side. He’s winning the populism game because no one else is even playing it. Time to beat him at his own game
How do you get the Democrats to run somebody like Sanders when they don’t even have a primary? The DNC boned the entire country. Again.
I don’t pretend to know how to accomplish this. I may be completely wrong here, but two things that have to go:
- Religious thought (“faithbrain” or the Peter Pan-esque belief that things are true because you believe they are true, despite a lack of evidentiary or even argumentative support, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary)
- Social media bubbles (billionaires controlling the content people see, creating bubbles of “information” that skew the public in their favor)
There’s almost certainly more to do as well, but those things stand out to me. Also, it seems hard to believe that we could make any progress on these fronts given the current situation.
This won’t change. Democrats have to take a lesson in human behaviour. Republican tactics work. Embrace them. Exploit them.
I keep waiting for the Left to fight dirty, but… We go high, they go low, and low is what gets elected
Are they here legally?
Yes, but that doesn’t matter to republicans.
Yep, their plan is to remove all immigrants
A lot of their own parents and grandparents are going to have to go then. The leopards will not go hungry.
Absolutely not at all
Only the ones who aren’t “white”.
It matters to MAGA Republicans. Your friend is a legal immigrant, he’s here to stay and we 100% welcome him.
If they keep saying it, maybe it’ll be true just like the 2020 election fraud!
Ah, yes, just like the completely legal Haitian immigrants.
Clearly, a well supported position from the republican party. Totally not the exact opposite of what came out of the pres elect and VP elect.
Reminded a bit of a certain anchorman gif right about now…
Some Haitians are legal, and some are “legal” due to this sus app the new administration will be looking into. I think some from that app will stay and some will have to leave, but they’ll clear it up.
Do you mean the eating cats and dogs thing? I’m glad that got cleared up. :)
Shithole country.
This is so disgraceful. Usa. Seriously… Wtf
The entire rest of the world needs to be on watch, trump is a potential threat to other countries
FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN AMERICA GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
I can’t even afford to live HERE, in the country I was born and raised in. How do you expect me to move somewhere else and gain citizenship there?
How about illegal immigration :D
Easier said than done there bucko. Most of us are just going to have to live here and take it because legal immigration into another nation is just as bad in most countries as it is here in America.
Oh it’s worse, the Immigration system for America is actually easier than Canada or Europe
You realize that unless you have a second citizenship it’s not easy to just up and leave for another country?
Even that isn’t enough unless you have a lot of money laying around and some kind of support network in whatever country you plan to escape to.
Most people don’t. I really didn’t get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she’s seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked “OK where are we moving to?” to only get a lengthy conversation of how it’s works and how hard it is. It’s not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.
Immigration is never easy… Right? I’d like to hear more stories from those who ensured the process.
Shipping your things? Lmao 🤣
I’ve looked, it’s also incredibly expensive, outside of many people’s means, mine included
What I kinda hate is the liberals who act like they want to help but are actively planning to leave the country.
If they are brown or queer, sure. It’s needed, seek asylum and live elsewhere. If they’re white cis liberals who happened to have a back up plan and just abandon the people who thought they would save them?
“I’m here to help. Oh we lost despite me browbeating you and tokenizing your life. I’m off to England and Canada, bye! Maybe I’ll give some bucks to a random gofundme.”
Lol and go where? From what I can tell, Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right. Western Europe is already getting sick of immigrants and dealing with the far right.
Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right
Yeah. Trudeau’s not super popular anymore because of all his scandals, open corruption, and his handling of the economy and immigration (I expect the Trump win will probably solidify his base somewhat, though, once people start comparing the opposition to Trump) and the NDP’s never going to win a majority with Jagmeet at the helm (NDP voters aren’t too thrilled about how far up Trudeau’s ass his tongue regularly goes). That basically leaves the Bloc (which only cares about Quebec) and the Conservatives. No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc (no one serious, at least).
The most damaging thing Trump ever did was show the politicians of the world that you can pretty much just do whatever the fuck you want if you spread divisive hate and propaganda hard enough. The Cons weren’t anywhere close to what the Republicans were before he got into office. In our case, the economy usually did get better under them. Unfortunately, they’ve been steadily becoming more and more extreme over the past couple of elections. It looked like they were trying to be more moderate when they had Erin O’Toole, but there were still some morons among them that were eager to show that they’d gone batshit insane, so they’re back to doubling down on ol’ Canadian Ben Shapiro now.
Thanks for the added context. I’ve seen a few headlines about what’s happening, but it’s good to hear the perspective from someone that lives there.
No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc because no one outside of Quebec can vote for the Bloc.
To be fair to myself, you can vote for anyone. It just won’t necessarily count since it’ll spoil the ballot.
No you can’t, we don’t have write in in Canada.
You’re given a pen/pencil and asked to fill out a box. Nothing prevents you from writing stuff, but whatever. It’s not like it matters.
Exactly. They’re DEALING WITH the far right. They haven’t just handed they keys to the country over.
There’s still a chance for them.
My wife and I have considered shoring up in Baja. We have quite a few friends in a well insulated community down there, and it’s a 12 hour drive from where we’re at, assuming they don’t lock the border from the inside (which they probably will at some point).
Say hi to Jesse Ventura for me.
What is so fucked that the US isn’t an anomaly. Authoritarianism has been on the rise since the 90s and we don’t really have any more true democracies. The crazy right-wing jackasses that people back in 2000 and 2005 thought were just kooks and nutjobs are now 100% mainstream and they’re taking over their respective countries… We are not in a good place.
we don’t really have any more true democracies
What’s a True Democracy and when did we originally have it?
Is this where we blink past Jim Crow and put blinders on during the Nixon/Reagan years to pretend popular politics was a real thing prior to Clinton?
Or are we going to claim 1976 was the only truly free and fair election in IS history?
Let me reword that. We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.
Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones…
We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.
No. But that’s largely because we were lied to on the definition.
Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones…
Everyone knows that “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” doesn’t mean “Working People control the government”. It means “One Guy In a Hardhat Is The King”. Now lets re-litigate every historical event between 1917 and 1945, while drawing parallels back to the modern moment and insisting tankies stole the election.
and move where? to another country electing fascists?
I’m thinking South America is the play. The anglosphere is all facing similar problems, the northern hemisphere is starting to really feel climate change, and the food is incredible
They have their own political issues, but they never shook the idea of socialism.
The quality of life is rapidly improving. They have tons of natural resources, great soil, they’ll be less impacted by climate change in the southern hemisphere, and most importantly they have Internet
As for me, I’m doubling down on my Spanish practice
Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.
They’ll be drinking champagne (or the Russian equivalent) in the Kremlin tonight. Putin and the KGB played the long game and won.
I’d love to leave, but it isn’t feasible for me. I’m absolutely terrified and have no way out.
maybe it’s not time to run, maybe it’s time to fight.
Fuck that, I love this country and I’m not ceding it to a bunch of stupid bigots. They’re the ones that should be leaving.
I thought the same except he won the popular vote too. I’m worried this isn’t a minority of people with loud voices…I think this is America.
I’ve been duped or in denial or something.
He won because Kamala underperformed. They both underperformed compared to 2020 actually, Kamala just moreso.
Voters are disillusioned with Democrats, and it’s no wonder why when the Democrats keep running on policy that is unpopular with their base and relying on orange man bad to get their voters to the polls. It worked once, and then nothing changed, so of course it wasn’t going to work again. Stop trying to push the blame off on voters and use this time to reflect on your own party’s election strategy.
It blows my mind you can still love this country after last night. Dude, we just ceded everything to the bigots. They’ve overwhelmingly achieved all their goals.
What if I told you that the bigots made America into the hellscape you have Stockholm syndrome for?
Because the founding fathers certainly didn’t like non-whites. Or even a lot of other white people.
Counterpoint… If you leave, you’re leaving the most power arsenal of doomsday weapons in the hands of a moron death cult.
Stay, and become ungovernable.
You imply that Trump actually intends to govern and not rule.
Become unruleable.
You’re off to a good start.
I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but the moron death cult already has the arsenal
Ah yes, I forgot that I personally controlled the nuclear arsenal. Thanks.
Yeah, you do, or at least a partial control.
The results of last night’s election says otherwise.
Then run, no amount of handwashing will protect you from nuclear fire.
No amount of voting seems to help either.
Actually, we know the exact amount of voting required to help.
Ahhh yes, it is so easy to pick up and move to another country. Why didn’t anyone think of this earlier?
“If you don’t like America, leave!” Was what Republicans said for decades.
Now we’re expecting the poor and disabled and BIPOC to just do it because Harris failed. Unbelievable.
trump is a potential threat to other countries
At what point in the last eight decades hasn’t the US posed a threat to almost every other country on the planet?
I’m not leaving. All my friends are here. We don’t run from danger.
How do I leave?
By getting yourself a passport, a working permit for wherever you want to go and a plane ticket.
That’s easier said than done. I have a passport, but a lot of countries are still pretty hard to get a job in as a foreigner even with a skill set that is in demand. I have actually been looking for a while. It’s not easy.
always has been.
Lol, no thanks, I think things will get really good around here once January hits
With Trump, Musk, and RFK Jr. running things, how can we go wrong?
Exactly!
Need someone to remind you of this comment in 2028?
Yes please!
