Hi,
jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.
Since they didn’t really have any reason to defederate initially, they’re now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that’s what they’re saying, ask them for confirmation if you don’t believe it either.
They also used a list of post found on /c/MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation…
They’ve now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I’ve known this for more than a week but didn’t care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn’t reach them, perhaps because of “r*tard” in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who’s late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we’re not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won’t change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).
They have some communities that aren’t that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can’t really be said that they’d reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their “leftist” admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they’re authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it’d mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear’s reputation on jlai.lu.
If you’re french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)
Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn’t happen now it’ll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we’ll one day be banned from other “centrist” instances such as the french one. Just like we’d also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/‘be a threat’.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don’t waste too much of your time either(, but please don’t go there unless you intent to speak calmly).
Thanks for reading :) !
First, I am going to say I do agree with you hexbear is super fast to their own detrement with defederating, this seems to come from there olden days isolation and fear of anything changing there culture, I am not sure if it is about challenging their views or not, however I will agree they weild bans and defederations incredibly fast.
Second everything I got was through re-reading the thread both with my attrocious french skills, so I gave up and ran it through google translate. and I would agree that what happened was a nothing burger, it seemed like mostly an argument where one person was upset being called a Nazi Sympithiser and the other was upset that their claim was being miss represented, with lots of claims of brigading that from what I can tell was not likely what was happening. I am not a lemmy expert but I do know that it is possible to find organicly posts on other instances, and it turned into a total mess.
I would like to challange that this is entirely because of the grad and hex for 2 reasons, First i do not remember very many lemmygrad users, and second this was bringing up not just the personal grudge match of the idividuals, but calling for a defederation and pulling something from a year back, we also have people calling for a change in platform because the devs of lemmy have Castro profile pictures. This is not to say users from here and hex have no blame, as that would be rediculous, there was no attempt to prevent the tempreture of the discussion to rapidly rise.
Third I do take issue with the final labeling intentional or incidental that all of the members here are toxic, There are users from other instances that will start a fight merely because you use the grad or are a .ml user, so both in the userbase here being toxic, and on the range of toxicity I do not think as a whole we rank super highly
lastly, still not sure why this post was needed
I’m not sure why some on jlailu were so insistent on singling out both lemmygrad and hexbear because I did a ctrl+f on that first defed thread and only found two comments from lemmygrad users. Unless there were other threads I missed this was about the extent of “our” participation.
From my exprence we seem to be the larger over all target, and long term, hexbear seems to be more out there and easier to point at for “bad behavior” so we get lumped in together every time. You will never see someone just complain about hexbear, they will always lump us in with it.
I’m pretty sure that it was just for context if you’re referring to the previous post about defederating.
To which you don’t even see me entertaining the argument.
I also call for a change in platform, but it’s because they are shit devs and project managers, releasing broken updates after broken updates, ignoring security issues and overall not being good devs.
I don’t care about who makes an open-source product, but that’s another subject.
I mean they came over already hot, I’m always up for shitposting but seems I’m in the minority.
Tbh you were just put in the toxic tankies bin with hexbears because you are the only other instance users that came up directly flinging shit in the initial thread, your initial reputation and I cbb.