Hi,
jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.
Since they didn’t really have any reason to defederate initially, they’re now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that’s what they’re saying, ask them for confirmation if you don’t believe it either.
They also used a list of post found on /c/MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation…
They’ve now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I’ve known this for more than a week but didn’t care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn’t reach them, perhaps because of “r*tard” in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who’s late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we’re not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won’t change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).
They have some communities that aren’t that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can’t really be said that they’d reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their “leftist” admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they’re authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it’d mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear’s reputation on jlai.lu.
If you’re french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)
Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn’t happen now it’ll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we’ll one day be banned from other “centrist” instances such as the french one. Just like we’d also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/‘be a threat’.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don’t waste too much of your time either(, but please don’t go there unless you intent to speak calmly).
Thanks for reading :) !
I mean I am not sure how this has to do with Lemmygrad, A butt hurt lib was mad that hexbear is very active and that how they have it set up they can see other fediverse posts. They are also mad that hexbear is leftist and has issues with their posting culture, posts something nothing happens, a year later same thing and there is a fall out, hexbear decides to defederate beforehand, and that situation is over.
Then we have the ever looming fact Lemmygrad is likely next, but lets be totaly honest here, Lemmygrad is always on the chopping block, because we are not liberals so we are either going aganst the interests of the bigger platforms or we are counter to what they have been told is acceptable, and so will kneejerk ban. Its annoying yes but not much we can do for it.
I get it sucks that they are walling us off from there users, however we cannot do much, best you can do is make an alt that just sits there. Honestly the most concerning thing I keep seeing is the Constant push to change platforms from the Lemmy platform to something else because the lead devs are communist, I basicly never see this done for any other political alignment in open source, however there is a bigger and bigger push for it here.
also why is the french instance a luxemburg domain?
jlai.lu is a play on the phrase “j’l’lai lu”, which is a shortening of “je l’ai lu” meaning “I read it”.
Just like Google’s use of a belgian domain to shorten the YouTube url to youtu.be
I did not know about the phrase… They are literaly making a french reddit
also I still dont love the use of the belgan domane for youtube
It’s alright, it’s normal for someone who doesn’t speak french to not know it, furthermore if it’s the shortened form.
They actually are. Jlailu was the meme name that the french subreddit /r/rance gave to reddit (because reddit = read it = j’l’ai lu). They just copied that meme name and turned it into an actual reddit clone.
More like an alternative, since it was born from the reddit “boycott” period.
The name come from a “rancisation” of the name reddit, since initially the biggest community was “rance”, that likes to translate english terms literally for fun.
Does it suck? Personally it sucks more to breathe the same air or exist in the same spaces as these libs. Let them wall themselves off, eventually they will be walled off from the vast majority of humanity that is looking on in disgust at them- and then hopefully in time that wall will close in, and those who cannot develop the human decency to leave their wretched spaces will go straight to the dustbin of history.
Look we cannot get to the point where libs are a thing of the past and disliked if we do not put the groundwork in to educate and convence people now, we have to put that effort in, and I get it it is not always fun, nor is it easy, it is both easier and more fun to ignore them or yell at them but that does nothing for movement building. By walling them off, not only does it make our interactions with them harder and more limited, it also will prevent the curious, the ones who are thinking about it from coming over here and checking it out.
It is very neglegent to cut someone off from learning or even interaction because they are currently a liberal, because they are the ones we need to bring over to this side. they are the ones we need to teach, and you cannot teach when you only hold contempt and no sympethy. That attitude is only going to keep us from ever liberating the working class
Some users in the “flamewar” were from Lemmygrad as well, so their pinned post is to defederate from both Lemmygrad and Hexbear at the same time. I know that it’s stupid and look like a convenient excuse.
Apparently, after what happened it was up to us to send some kind of “delegation” in order to calm things down if we didn’t want them to defederate. It can still be calmed down(, for a while), and i kinda hoped that some people here wouldn’t agree with my pessimism, and talk with them instead. Their post is still pinned after a dozen days and they haven’t seen anyone so you or someone else would probably be welcomed, by asking “Why do you want to defederate ?” for example. They’ll answer that it’s because we’re aggressive and authoritarian but there’s probably room to discuss about it.
It’s worth adding that i don’t personally care that much either, even if a defederation/rejection is always annoying, if only because our posts won’t be displayed to them. An instance based on nationality and not ideology should try to stay neutral/welcoming, i think.
It’s only a partial answer, but i’ve began an app for Lemmy a few weeks before Sync went out(, should be out next year, if anyone want to throw ideas b.t.w. i’m taking), and i can already easily circumvent the defederation on it by fusing the “output” of two accounts. So other apps may easily copy it, and defederation wouldn’t be a problem for those who want to go through the creation of another account in order to bypass it, as long as jlai.lu users have heard of Hexbear and Lemmygrad they’ll only have to add an alt to their main account in order to change their feed, without the need to switch between alts, even if that’ll only be a partial solution since it doesn’t affect the experience “by default”. I can also already create a group of tabs that’ll display the feed of an instance or a group of communities(, and even the posts//comments of a (group of )user.s you want to follow), so that’ll solve another annoying problem of isolation that prevent us from easily reading/‘being exposed to’ the feed of another instance.
There’s also the possibility of changing the Lemmy software to enable a defederation à la carte, with the option for each user to opt in//out of the defederation, that’d be even better(, there’d still be the need to attribute a default value though).
However, i’ve also seen this push so yeah, ‘you’re right’/‘i agree’ obviously.
Interesting that we where suposed to “send a delegation” normaly that requires notice, and I do not remember any notice being given, aswell as you could just talk to the admins. This feels super self important, when from what I saw it was a few people saying mostly incorrect things… someone from hex pointing out that the ring leader was a nazi sympithiser, and then a few going over to defend themselves.
I am sure if you asked jlailu they would say they are being nutral, we are outside of the status quo and farther from it than nazis, so as they keep putting it they see us as “Dangerous extremests” I do not think we are but that is the preseption that is going to get sturred up, agian communism is either aganst there intrests or the intrests EVERYONE is telling them they totaly have, so agian we are scary.
Lemmy already allows user choice to defederate or not, and it does not need to be instance wide, that is not good enough because some of our ideas can get to some people, it needs to be everyone who cannot see it
I entirely agree with everything you just wrote, and he justified why he said the o.p. was a fascist, it was a critic mostly based on his anti-communist methods. While searching for his comment i found another explanation here :
They’re playing the victims as @poo_22 said, and like you i find hard to believe that anyone can defederate on such idiotic basis, i’ve not much to add.
Feels like snitching, but here’s a partial list of the problematic comments : https://jlai.lu/comment/10687299. The flames were clearly fueled by them as well though, everyone can confirm it by reading the comments, and i still find hard to agree that these comments should be the object of debate, but i should have mentioned it in the selftext anyway.
Yeah they can block a.n instance(/community/user/…), absolutely, but a.f.a.i.k. they can’t counter the defederation chosen by their instance though(, except by creating an alt)