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During a video address directed at the people of Lebanon, Netanyahu said: "You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza.
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Disgusting.
Can someone explain to me how this is going to help get the hostages back? I was told this was about hostages.
No, this war is about Total Victory, whatever that is.
Like some kind of Final Solution.
Probably something like Total War.
Lebensraum
Total Victory against Me being Deposed and Thrown In Jail for my War Crimes
Netanyahu and his cronies don’t care about the hostages. They care about retaining their power. He knows he’s done for once this war ends. He’s hated both by the world and his own citizens.
It’s mostly about preventing future hostages now
I don’t know how you think these things work but bombing half the Levant isn’t going to make Israel any safer. It just means Hamas and Hezbollah (or whatever group replaces them) will be even more extreme and capable of recruiting militants. You can’t bomb your way to peace.
Let me fuck my way to virginity.
It isn’t that they haven’t learned. It’s that they don’t care. They want to kill. They are what would happen if serial killers and mass murderers become world leaders.
Lots of countries that bombed/killed their way to peace would disagree
Allowing them to rebuild their forces to get a mere 100 hostages back will just lead to more death in the future
Israel isn’t fighting a country. It’s, at least ostensibly, fighting terrorism and every civilian killed radicalizes someone. Israel will be less secure in the future because of how Netanyahu has conducted the war in Gaza, not to mention how he’s given settlers — who are terrorists themselves — free rein to steal land and attack West Bank Palestinians. (I say “ostensibly” because Gaza looks a lot more like a genocide than any sort of limited mission to crush Hamas and rescue hostages.)
Unfortunately, I don’t see Netanyahu’s strategy making Israel more secure in the long term.
The irony is that the hostages are safer with hamas. The Israelis are confirmed to have killed hundreds of their own citizens as part of rhe Hannibal doctrine on Oct 7th and have killed hostages in bombing raids.
They’re fighting Arab-islamic nationalists who won’t ever give up their fight over Palestine.
Morocco crushed the resistance in Western Sahara and took their territory. Now there’s peace.
Azerbaijan crushed the resistance in Nagorno-Kharabach and took their territory. Now there’s peace.
It’s not pretty, but sometimes it’s ‘better’ overall than letting an armed conflict drag on for eternity.
edit: Also:
An opinion poll published in mid-September by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR), a think tank based in Ramallah and funded by Western donors, showed for the first time the majority of Gazans opposed the decision to attack. The poll, conducted in early September, found that 57% of people surveyed in the Gaza Strip said the decision to launch the offensive was incorrect, while just 39% said it was correct – down sharply from the previous poll in June.
So in addition to advocating for genocide in Gaza, you’re going to advocate for ethnic cleansing of Armenians and the people of Western Sahara?
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The last time “bombing to peace” worked was in WW2, when the US killed 200.000 Japanese civillians with two nukes. The threat was clear. Surrender or face total annihilation.
There is a term for that. It is called genocide. But in the case of Israel they would first need to genocide all of Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq and Jordan. So some 50-60 Million people. Then all the other Muslims will feel threatened and fight back, like the West and UDSSR did against Nazis Germany. So in the second round, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Yemen and Oman will have to be genocided to achieve “peace”. That is some 200 million people. But then the rest of the world, except for Israels enablers in the US, Germany, UK and other few allies will feel threatened. So then the genocide needs to kill some 7 billion people.
That is the logic of the escalator “seeking peace” through killing everyone opposing him. When the US fought Japan, it was also liberating the countries around it. When Israel is fighting everyone around it, it is always clear that it will step it up to attack the next country and the next after that.
The nuclear bombing of Japan didn’t need to happen. They were already willing to surrender even before that.
If you don’t know of any conflict being ended with violence after WW2, you might want to sign up to some history podcast or something
You can’t bomb ideas.
Let me explain how we can prove you’re 100% full of bullshit.
If this had anything to do with security, bibi would resign, hand over reins to someone who didn’t fuck up and let the hostages be taken in the first place, and Israel could come up with plans slightly more nuanced and thought through than ‘Wauuugghh!!!’
He’s desperate to keep power because hes Bibi, he’d use Iran getting nukes under his watch as an excuse for why he had to keep power, every failure from incompetence is just another argument for why he can’t possibly be replaced.
You have a dictator, and it would be hilarious if it weren’t so tragic.
Your post makes me wonder which country you’re from, and how you’re so sure your neighbours can’t barge in with a few thousand soldiers and capture 250 hostages
If you’re suggesting that pre-Al Aqsa Flood-Bibi was too weak on Gaza, then well… Yeah
America, we had a similar surprise once.
Our reaction did not give us the assurance we desired.
Bibi is a corrupt tool, he incited the assassination of Rabin and he’s basically a far smarter Trump.
Israel is doomed because of him, because for such an ideologue security is fuel and he won’t let you stop until greater Israel or it’s complete destruction, there is no middle ground.
Yeah, funny how out of all countries the US didn’t go: “look, I get that you want revenge, but what we did after 9/11 wasn’t productive in the least, so we’re telling you to reconsider.”
The US spent 20 years in Afghanistan, killed millions, traumatised/gave cancer to entire generations of their own soldiers and had nothing to show for it.
You couldn’t be more wrong
But I caution this: While you feel that rage, don’t be consumed by it.
After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. And while we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes.
They have nukes. During the cold war the nuclear option was the thing that terrified everyone. Israeli right now is a full blown Rogue state that abso-fucking-lutely will go nuclear if the US pulls support. Forget about the communist-capitalist thing, it’s about some crazed colonialist who believe they should have everything or no one has anything.
They won’t.
They will go nuclear if they get in a desperate position, basically worse than the Yom Kippur War, but short of that they’re not going to bother, and they won’t get in that position, they’re too powerful and most of the middle east is still on fire.
Sorry.
The Land of America you say
Do you think your leader is strong enough to prevent a few thousand Canadians from rushing the border for a few hours?
No, which is why it’s a good thing we aren’t occupying Toronto.
Ironically we did invade and occupy Canada once because we thought we could take their land.
It went very poorly for us, but unlike Israel we learned a lesson. Then again, we are capable of learning, but then again our politics weren’t completely founded on our most backwardly hyperreligious messianic nightmare psychos back then.
Your zealots are a cancer on your polity, just like ours are. Palestinians didn’t butcher Rabin.
The only hostage
that in Yahoonetanyahu is trying to prevent, is him in some kind of jail cell.
Threatening violence against civilians in the pursuit of political aims, huh? If only we had a word for that.
like we see in Gaza.
Putrid bastard can’t even own his own genocide. It’s what You’re, or We’re meaning Israel, is doing to Gaza.
The worst kind of coward, a bloodthirsty one.
Hamas is still holding hostages in Gaza. How bad does it have to get in Gaza before they release them?
As gruesome as it may be. It might be because it’s their last negotiating card. If they can actually get bibi to the table again to accept a genuine cease fire.
Negotiate for what? Release of Hamas prisoners when the planner of the October 7 massacre (and current leader of Hamas) was released in a previous exchange?
The only thing they’re holding out for is more donation money from people angered over the suffering of Palestinians. Hamas has monetized the suffering of Palestinians, so why would they want a ceasefire?
Hamas is incentivized to let the suffering continue. But eventually the IDF will find whatever hole Sinwar is hiding in. Once he’s out of the picture maybe whoever takes his place will have some humanity and surrender to put an end to the bloodshed. I don’t hold out much hope for anyone in Hamas doing the honourable thing though. They’re warped people that think that death is a good thing.
I think they want to end the apartheid
So they want a one-state solution? That’s what ending the “apartheid state” implies you know.
Silly slogans for non-serious people.
Uhuh. Ok there.
Maybe he should focus on maintaining peace if he doesn’t want his own country to turn into bloody ashes
I don’t think he wants peace at all. I think if there’s peace, he will lose his position as PM and lose its power with it.
He would be fine with a full out war because he knows US will help him.
He was about to lose power before 10/7…
And has been refusing to allow elections because of the genocides he won’t stop committing ever since.
He will also go to jail for corruption if he loses his position.
And who’s going to do that as long as the US extends endless military and financial support? Bibi slaughtered tens of thousands of children with nothing more than a furrowed brow at the State Department. We send Israel so many bombs that it exceeds our military transport capacity and we’re chartering private carriers for part of the load. At every turn, the US has confirmed to Israel that it can act with impunity and retain our guarantee of support.
Yeah Iran’s Axis of Resistance will destroy Israel any day now… any day now… soon… someday?
Iran’s bullshit Axis of Resistance is like a scrawny guy that constantly gets his shit destroyed by someone that’s simply stronger faster and more skilled at fighting than he is . Everyone tells him to throw in the towel, but still just keeps on wanting to fight. And keeps getting his asses kicked.
It would be laughable if it weren’t for the fact that these assholes embed themselves in the civilian population and get a lot of people killed besides themselves.
The Axis of Resistance has been a complete failure for Iran. Hamas is hiding in their holes in the ground, Hezbollah had their entire leadership wiped out in two weeks. If the Houthis were smart (they aren’t) they’d stop their attacks on shipping and hope everyone forgets their part in all of this. Iran itself hasn’t shown much capability in attacking Israel with their rockets. The only thing they’ve achieved is to make people feel sorry for them.
Israel sat idly by allowing the enemy to get stronger… They’re not going to make that mistake again.
Israel was not idle.
I just can’t see why anyone would hate him/Isreal. They cleared so much space for schools and hospitals by destroying old, run down schools and hospitals. I mean such hazardous work being done for free! Such a generous man, and all that military protection. How can you not love this regime!?!
It’s just plain old antisemitism. No need to dig any deeper than that.
Hey, I said no digging!
He continues to be so out of it.
They’re at war. This is an unfortunate effect of war.
I’m sure voting Kamala will stop this.
For whom are you voting?
Neither party since both are pro genocide.
You’re not voting at all?
Why? Both parties support genocide. That’s one thing I cannot compromise on.
So then why not protest vote for a third party? Not voting is interpreted by basically everyone as “I don’t care”.
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