It’s lemmygrad, we’re the spectre. I’d bet at least half of the other instances out there block us, there’s only like 300 dedicated users on this instance, and they still can’t stop complaining about lemmygrad/tankies

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    I haven’t heard of you yet, what are they complaining about? I’ve only heard complaints about Nazis and fascists

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      Can’t tell if this is supposed to be a “tankie red fash lol” dig but I’ll take it in good faith anyways.

      We uphold socialism here, not that socialist states are/were perfect places, but that they are/were legitimate attempts at building worker states, and demonstrably improved the lives of their citizens. Liberals (we use that to mean anyone from a nordic soc dem to moderate republican, or even unserious anarchists) really really don’t like this. The accuse us of “genocide denial” or just being “delusional” for questioning the dominant western narrative

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        It doesn’t help that there really is nuance in discussing previous and current socialist experiments but even that has practically become a meme and is met with “communism has never worked” commentary from liberals.

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      It’s an instance for Communists, specifically Communists who support AES (actually existing socialism). In short, we think that the USSR and PRC (among others), while not perfect, were legitimate attempts at building Socialism and better than Capitalism as it exists in the West.

      Other people don’t like that because, to them, Stalin was just Red Hitler and Xi Jinping is literally committing a genocide right now. Neither are true.

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        Ah okay I can see how that’s controversial, given China is heavy on censorship and control, and in reality they’re just another form of capitalism run by a rich oligarchy. Plus with the way the world has changed, I think a new system is needed because we’re heading towards enough automation that not everyone should need to work.

        I don’t know much about the USSR so I won’t comment on that

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              Ok but in all honestly, just because there are rich people in China doesn’t mean it’s a ‘capitalist ogliarchy’. Sure, there are billionaires in the party, but they have just as much power as any farmer or worker, no more and no less.

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                That’s not true in the slightest though? I mean the very fact that there are different wages, there’s poverty, China invests heavily in foreign companies (both the government and private Chinese corporations), that’s all capitalism. The farmer doesn’t have any say in what tencent or the China Evergrande Group does. The CCP controls the media and limits free speech, and makes decisions for everyone. Even if you’re to somehow convince me that the people who control the CCP aren’t rich oligarchs, they’re absolutely still in control of the CCP, and it’s not communism.

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                  Oh my god there are companies, guess there’s no more socialism guys!1!1!!1

                  Just because there are companies does not mean that China is revisionist. And Tencent and China Evergrande have nothing to do with the government. Why would they?

                  edit: What do different wages have to do with socialism? Also it’s CPC, not CCP.