It’s lemmygrad, we’re the spectre. I’d bet at least half of the other instances out there block us, there’s only like 300 dedicated users on this instance, and they still can’t stop complaining about lemmygrad/tankies

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        Ok but in all honestly, just because there are rich people in China doesn’t mean it’s a ‘capitalist ogliarchy’. Sure, there are billionaires in the party, but they have just as much power as any farmer or worker, no more and no less.

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          That’s not true in the slightest though? I mean the very fact that there are different wages, there’s poverty, China invests heavily in foreign companies (both the government and private Chinese corporations), that’s all capitalism. The farmer doesn’t have any say in what tencent or the China Evergrande Group does. The CCP controls the media and limits free speech, and makes decisions for everyone. Even if you’re to somehow convince me that the people who control the CCP aren’t rich oligarchs, they’re absolutely still in control of the CCP, and it’s not communism.

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            Oh my god there are companies, guess there’s no more socialism guys!1!1!!1

            Just because there are companies does not mean that China is revisionist. And Tencent and China Evergrande have nothing to do with the government. Why would they?

            edit: What do different wages have to do with socialism? Also it’s CPC, not CCP.

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                I’m confused. Do you expect China to be instantly fully communist without money or class? Do you know that China started as a poor and feudal country and has constantly been under pressure and sanctions from the west?

                It’s like giving you control of an island full of people with almost no food and enemies thirsting to attack at any moment. Go on, build communism.

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                  No, I’m saying China is a capitalist oligarchy. Currently, right now. I don’t believe it can ever become communism with the current people still in power. That can be debatable, but what they are right now is definitely not communism, and that’s all I was saying

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                    Yes, it’s not communism right now. But Xi Jinping is not a ‘capitalist oligarch’. And China has pulled millions out of poverty, build an advanced public transport system, given massive amounts of aid to third-world countries while helping them develop, and has cracked down on corruption. If this is a ‘capitalist oligarchy’ then I will gladly support it.