I find that the historical precedent of commons and allotments has many appealing safeguards built into it. And end to corporate buy ups and land speculation for instance. In leftist economic theory a distinction is usually made between personal property (stuff you use, your toothbrush etc) and private property (the means of production, agricultural land, factories etc held by individuals or companies for the purpose of exploitation).

It might serve a farmer to say over-exploit land and wear it out but a community that lives there, presumably having young people and children, are unlikely to feel that way. Similarly is a community unlikely to leave a field fallow because holding land that is not in use to later sell is very profitable. People invested in their personal property and local community, the business of living somewhere and presumably some of them farming the commons; they are still invested in paying attention to the environment and quality of the land.

You have probably heard of the tragedy of the commons but this was based off highly unusual transient conditions (sort of like the alpha wolf study) and historical evidence points to many enduring and stable arrangements. https://ian.umces.edu/blog/the-triumph-of-the-commons-no-actually-it-can-happen/ is a good primer and Ostrum, E’s work for further study if curious.

I am defs also keen on citizen’s assemblies, more democracy is awesome and evidence shows that true democracy (i.e. broad opinions and randomly drafted shmucks) consistently returns good results.

It would be cool if we could actually like try the UDHR, just once, as a treat.

Maybe not, ostensibly if you’re persecuted you could seek asylum and you’re probably a lot less likely to be killed overall.

I defs wouldn’t give my life to defend people that don’t respect me. Conscription is a crime against humanity at the best of times but conscripting people without full rights is straight up evil.

Imagine getting conscripted to die for a government that doesn’t even think you’re fully human…

I don’t know who this person is but aside from the eusocial animals humans are probably the next most social creatures. Talking about fending for yourself is batshit insane, how would you even do that? Everything we have, know, or do involves other human beings.

I would agree, which is why I tend to come down against private property/privatisation of land. It serves everyone to have agriculture, but only if that agriculture is done in a way which serves everyone. Of course a community controlling its land and allocating it to people who want to use it to benefit the community is no guarantee they use it responsibly, as we can see with this one.

Managing things like environmental impact requires a very large scale view and coordination, a river might be able to tolerate run off from the first farm, but by the 50th downstream it might be cooked. It’s difficult to expect the person at the first farm to really understand their impact and responsibility. Significant attitude changes are needed, almost everyone in Australia behaves in ways the earth cannot sustain and which violently exploit other animals including other humans (e.g. our diets, our trinkets). We really need to reframe what being a human in the world means and what responsibilities it entails, and set up institutions that make it easier instead of harder.

See? outing your barely repressed antisocial violent urges.

Call me Gaza because I’d like some hamas in my tunnels.

The names are hamas.

Sorry champ, can’t have you raping the kids. Considered more male appropriate work like investment banking? Leave those jobs that involve contributing to society in community to us girls.

Describing china as leftist is kinda funny. They’re defs more welfare oriented than neoliberal countries but after the reforms shit is a bit of a joke.

I have a different perspective but we’ve both said our pieces.

My handler is texting me, I’ve fallen behind on dividing the west so I’m off to be trans on Facebook.

It would be silly of me to disavow prefiguration when my primary interaction with lemmy has been making it melt down with how vegan I am :p

But I guess that’s where these navel-gazey comics and internet slapfights rub me the wrong way. To get where we need to be we don’t need a billion anarchists, we need a billion people willing to ignore lords and masters. Agitation focused on waking people up to the flaws in liberal capitalism rather than agitation that fragments the already prostrate left seems more useful to me.

historically we can clearly see that anarchist praxis does bring the goods.

TBH outside of some examples like mondragon (more Basque than anarchist) and the zapatistas it kinda seems like we’re getting fucking owned. The left in general seems like it’s getting fucking owned. It’s one of the things that keeps me up at night.

Awww come on, you know you post bait. A lot of the more aggro users are pretty young and very online, you know how the all feed works. You’ve either gotta aggressive ban arguing or it just turns into this.

Like with this comic, which is kinda funny, it’s a superficial view of sometimes really complex and for people perhaps too invested in the complexities it’s like whatever the rage-virus version of catnip is.

I dunno about the working together stuff. The people I’ve found the most useful in union movements tends to be pretty dogmatic about Lenin. I lean syndicalist myself - believing that unless we control work and train people in democracy that way we’ll be destroyed by police - so that might be my own lens on things but a lot of self identifying anarchists aren’t the most practical of people.

For real though, I respect you a fair bit but I do find fanning the flames of this internet slapfight over tankies a bit silly. Ultimately lemmy is not determining the course the future, it’s the stuff we do outside and I’ve never had a conversation come up about whether Stalin’s apparent antisemitism was a result of intrinsic bias or complex geopolitical realities outside of lemmy. I’ve stood in line with people without knowing anything deeper than that they’re here now about them. I’d apprehensively (lets be honest protest spoopy) do it again.

Basically everyone people call tankies on lemmy want the same good things as “ideology pure” leftists. We’re a tiny minority of a minority, aside from like 3 weird people everyone on hexbear/grad/ml is chill. I don’t see this doing much except scaring left curious libs away from studying any ideas more serious than welfare stateism.

It all comes out now, nobody can survive contact with power. Even administrating a lemmy instance corrupts.

Come see the violence folks, come see anarchy in action!

What in the gender essentialist fuck? You cannot bar all men from jobs involving kids. You need a working with children check to run an extracurricular class, what are you smoking?

Well of course you know

It is a joke about the content of said account.